Hierarchical Domains, not Magesteria

In the first post, the idea that reality extends beyond the realm of the tangible is presented. The first level of transcendence is the intangible domain of intuition, which is a form of thought. Thought itself is an intangible, as with many concepts that we use and believe every day. On another list one commenter observed that his "jar of 'meaning' is empty". Meaning is transcendent; it can't be weighed, measured, or thrown out with the trash. And what about the "meaning of meaning"? The word "meaning" does have a meaning or we wouldn't be able to use it. And the "meaning of the meaning of meaning"? Well, this demonstrates a hierarchy, all of which do have...meaning. In the world of the hierarchy of "domains", what would the next domain level above thought and intuition look like?



If level 1 is "sensate", and level 2 is extra-natural "intuition / thought", then we find that level 3 is "acquired through a second level of extra-natural faculties". And if Godel's theorems hold, the third level would be required to exist in order to validate the second level. So the third level fully encompasses the second level, just as the second level fully encompasses the first.



Think of two concentric spheres, with level 1 at the very center filling the smallest sphere, and level 2 between the level 1 sphere and the level 2 sphere. Level 3 would exist outside the other two spheres while encompassing them at the same time. The "magesteria" are concentric spheres, and by the way, they are not magesteria at all: they are hierarchical domains, with the "sensate", natural empiricism fully enclosed by the other two "extranatural" domains.



This argument for the extra-extra-natural depends only upon logic and rational thought, and does not involve theism, deism, or fantasy in any way. And I am aware of the argument against Godel's theorems: must they have higher order validation in order for the theorems themselves to be known to be true? If so then they are true. If not, they are also true! But wait, maybe Godel's theorems don't apply to anything but math! However, math is just logic and rational thought appied to sets and numbers. So Godel's theorems must apply to logic and rational thought as well! That is the beauty of it.



Level 3; it's out there.