Tuesday, May 31, 2011

Good Without God: An Atheodological Absurdity

Either they think we are fools, or they actually believe their own foolishness.

The current Atheist meme (Atheists have these nasty little reproducing memes, where the rest of us have ideas which either pass or fail logic) is that they, Atheists, are good without God.

Now if we are to analyze this concept, we can concede right away that they are without God. No problem there. The problem arises with the word “good”. Good, as it is used here, denotes a moral state. A moral state must be have a standard against which behavior is judged to be good or bad. The existence of the moral state has been accepted by the Atheists making this statement, who judge themselves to be on the “good” side of the differentiating morality equation.

What they don’t say is exactly what the standard is which they use to judge themselves. There are several possibilities here. First, Atheism comes with no moral standard attached, so it can’t be an Atheist moral standard that they are using to judge themselves. So it must be one of the following:

a) A moral standard which they have created for themselves.

b) An existing moral standard, say Judeo-Christianity.

c) A legal or judicial standard, which they mistake for a moral standard.

d) They are self-deceived into thinking they are moral by definition: tautologically moral.

e) They are lying about conforming to any standard.

Let’s take a look at each of these possibilities.


a) Atheism comes not with a moral standard but with a behavior standard called Consequentialism. This allows them to do whatever they wish, so long as they call the goal or end, “moral”. Included in this justification for any behavior whatsoever is the necessity to lie about reality as required. As Alinsky said, the only immoral tactic is the tactic not used. So Consequentialism is a natural standard for behavior in the absence of actual objective moral principles, one which allows and even requires lying as it is seen necessary to pursue one’s objectives.

Even as Consequentialism is a natural system of behaviors, the Atheist also can create a set of objectives that suits himself, a set which he cannot fail to fit into, one which he calls “moral”. Thus he considers himself to be de facto “moral”, since his moral values are set to match his actual behaviors: he cannot be immoral unless he changes his behaviors. And if he does in fact change his behaviors, then his moral set also changes to match his new behaviors. The complete flexibility of the Atheist moral set renders it impossible to violate: Atheist morality is guaranteed under this system of perfectly flexible principles.

b) Some Atheists co-opt existing moral systems, such as Judeo-Christianity. They then claim to be “more Christian” than Christians. Their failure here is a standard Atheist defect: they completely misunderstand Christian Theology and instead dredge up various straw man caricatures of Christians to compare themselves to.

But the actual act of co-opting a moral system to which they intellectually object is an act of both theft and of intellectual dishonesty. Their intent is to attempt to pull off a fraud; it can’t be anything else under these circumstances.

The fact here is that Christians can’t legitimately claim to be good even with God. To be human, for Christians, is to be in a perpetual struggle for the personal self-discipline required for moral behaviors: there is a persistent failure rate. This matches the empirical reality of human behavior, NOT “good without God”.

Therefore, “Good without God”, under Judeo-Christian standards, is a lie. To steal a standard one does not believe in, then to lie about failing it is necessarily a false statement, one outside of the Judeo-Christian moral set.

c) It appears that some Atheists think that because they have no record of felonious convictions, that they are moral. This is a category error. Not all moral behavior is covered by civil or criminal law. Consider the injunction against coveting, for example. Using legal behavior as a moral argument fails.

d) Tautological morality is endemic and epidemic in the Atheo-Leftist community. It is described in item a), above.

e) It is very likely that the Atheist claiming morality without God is merely lying, repeating a sound-bite, a bumper sticker piece of pseudo-thought. In fact, it is possible that many Atheists actually believe their own pseudo-thought-lie. Certainly they expect the rest of the world to believe it. This represents a loss of contact with rational reality in Atheists. And it also represents a lack of knowledge of actual moral concepts.

5 comments:

Richard said...

Given the way that Atheists percieve Christian morality, in that it is a set of laws developed by men rather than handed down by any (non-existent) deity, there would be nothing wrong with either co-opting Christian morality or developing their own, as what Christians call "good" was what earlier man saw as only neccessary to continue their scociety. Tailoring a "morality" of their own really isn't such of a stretch then in light of this opinion.

Stan said...

I don't believe it is a stretch at all. I think they do it all the time, and that they (mostly) believe that they are tautologically moral.

There is an inherent hazard here. Anyone who is not them cannot be a perfect fit into their tautological morality, and thus are immoral. The tautologically moral tend to exude a superiority of a moral nature over the Other, which cannot be moral by definition. Hence classism is moral.

Richard said...

Were YOU this sort of atheist?

Stan said...

I was a Judeo-Christianity co-opter. I was far too busy to be making claims about my own beliefs being "good" or more moral than Christians. I didn't have time to think about the esoterics of philosophical ethics or Materialism. I allowed my profession to consume me. So behaving within the cultural paradigm came naturally and without any deep thought. God was not a topic of discussion, certainly not of evangelicalism, as it is for today's Atheists/Brights/Materialists/Scientismists.

There are undoubtedly many more like that out there, who disbelieve but don't think much about it. But those are not the aggressive, evangelical, philosophically narcissistic Atheists who dominate the Atheist world today.

It wasn't until I left my profession that I had time to think about such things. I quickly discovered the flaws in my own thinking and had to strip my worldview to the bone, then discard the bone and start from scratch.

Today's Atheists and their arguments are pitifully weak and ill considered. Yet they proselytize with the confidence of their own God-like statures. That is why I am here.

Morgan said...

Excellent points, Stan. It always slays me when atheist 'popularizers' rail on about religion being evil when in fact, there is no evil in their worldview.