Wednesday, June 18, 2008

Multiple Multilevel Multiuniverses

The multiuniverse theories get a lot of play these days, as string theory gains intellectual traction and unanswerable questions within our limited physical domain require outside-da-box speculations.

Maverick cosmologist Max Tegmark contributes another model of the multiuniverse concept, number 4 below. Tegmark’s concepts are somewhat compelling from a logic standpoint.

Not to be outdone by these genius types, I contribute my own multiuniverse concept, number 5 below, for which I have rented a tux to receive my Nobel prize in Lala Physics.

Here are some Multiuniverse Theories:

1. The universe we know is spatially infinite, therefore infinite possible universes like ours can exist out there in the same space.

2. String Theory Multiverses: Branes, which are parallel existences that cannot communcate except possibly through the modulation of open ended strings, specifically gravity. Other possibilities are created by the same big bang but moving such that communication is not possible.

3. Hugh Everett’s Measurement split. Every time a measurement is made, a universe splits off: if we see result A, then result B is seen in a parallel universe. Schroedinger’s equation doesn’t collapse. We exist in parallel with ourselves on every branch off. This is possible in the abstract Hilbert Space.

4. In the article in Discover on-line, Tegmark claims that all reality is math. The underlying foundation for this is:

Tegmark:
THE EXTERNAL REALITY HYPOTHESIS:
“…the assumption that there is a reality out there that is independent of us. I think most physicists would agree with this idea.” (Tegmark) “If a reality exists independently of us, it must be free from the language that we use to describe it. There should be no human baggage.”

Interviewer:
"Without these descriptors, we’re left with only math.

Tegmark:
"The physicist Eugene Wigner wrote a famous essay in the 1960s called “The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences.” In that essay he asked why nature is so accurately described by mathematics. The question did not start with him. As far back as Pythagoras in the ancient Greek era, there was the idea that the universe was built on mathematics. In the 17th century Galileo eloquently wrote that nature is a “grand book” that is “written in the language of mathematics.” Then, of course, there was the great Greek philosopher Plato, who said the objects of mathematics really exist."

"Stephen Hawking once asked it this way: “What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe?” If I am right and the cosmos is just mathematics, then no fire-breathing is required. A mathematical structure doesn’t describe a universe, it is a universe."

"John Wheeler put it this way: Even if we found equations that describe our universe perfectly, then why these particular equations and not others? The answer is that the other equations govern other, parallel universes, and that our universe has these particular equations because they are just statistically likely, given the distribution of mathematical structures that can support observers like us."

5. But guess what? I have my own MMM to contribute. What if the Big Bang were really more like a Big Faucet? Hang on now, I’ll ‘splain.

We exist in a flow of time. In fact all mass/energy exists only at one point in time, which flows inexorably outward like the crest of a wave, from which we cannot extricate ourselves (OK a just little bit according to Relativity).

So it is possible, prove me wrong if you can, that there was another entity just before us and another just before that and so on. Plus there could be another one just after us, and another just after that, etc. Like this: an infinite series, where we are Un0 (universe number zero).

….Un-2, Un-1, Un0, Un+1, Un+2…..

We generally think of our universe possibly existing in physical-parallel with other universes, why do we not consider time-sequential as well? So the Big Bang would not be a single event, it would be a perpetual spewing of time-sequential universes, like unto a faucet.

I modestly call this “Stan Time”, a complement to Hilbert Space.

But let’s conclude all this with a hugely panoramic overview. If all these universes exist, and why not, then the question remains – untouched – whence? If it is not “what is the source of the fire breated into the equations”, then back off one Godel level: “what is the source of the equations?”

Being “timeless abstract constructs”, they still require a source, do they not? So the First Cause issue remains, unscathed by human rumination. Perhaps for clarity and to remove the time issue with “cause and effect”, it should be referred to as the “First Source”:

Whence the First Source?

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dude, you're a riot! You can honestly expect a serious rebuttal, can you?

Anonymous said...

I'm very glad you joined up at atheismisdead. You should help them get the {Purpose of the Blog}, and {What is Atheism} in the page menu filled out. It's blank. I'd love to hear what you might contribute. Hey, I've dealt with the Phelps clan and actually met and stood with the patriot riders here at Ft. Huachuca.
take care

Anonymous said...

Pete, thanks! It's good to get some positive comments. The Atheists usually give veiled (or expicit) insults which they seem to feel constitute meaningful input.

I lived in Tempe and then Mesa for a number of years and I love the desert. Especially the upper Sonoran in the Spring. I can smell the creosote bushes and the jojobas after a rain right now in my mind. used to hunt elk in the Christopher Creek area just below the Mogollon Rim... Beautiful!

Watching the Patriot Riders go by made me want to go out and get a bike just to participate. What a sight!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, do you have something to contribute or did you just stop by to blow your nose?

Anonymous said...

Naw I just stopped by to say "Dude, you're a riot! You can't honestly expect a serious rebuttal to this claptrap, can you?"

That's really what I came by to say. I am a bit sniffly though. Thanks for asking.

Anonymous said...

Pete norsted said:I'm very glad you joined up at atheismisdead....

Pete, Carl is a self deluded nut, but he's a gentle, honest, and well mannered nut. Those guys at atheism is dead are deceitful, hateful, and can't even get along with each other for more than 5 minutes. Atheism is Dead is a spin off from Atheism Sucks which was run by an internet nuisance named Frank Walton. There are many sites dedicated to exposing his shenanigans such as Frank Walton Chronicle

I’m sympathetic to the fact that Stan isn’t getting much traffic here at Analyzing Atheism and that his move to Atheism is Dead will bring in traffic, as it clearly has. The problem is Stan’s going to attract some rough customers.

Plus the major problem with Analyzing Atheism is that the content is for the most part unintelligible, and therefore uninviting to any serious discussion about atheism. Stan’s a good guy though and deserves better even though his ramblings are very “Time-Cubish” as Margaret pointed out. Stan’s the kind of guy you hire to speak at a conference on atheism as a goof. Very much the way MIT hired Gene Ray to speak on the Time-Cube.

Anonymous said...

Stan, the investigation, surmounting an obstructionist barricade of quantum abuses, focuses its attention on the phenomena of visible light and the marvelous apparatus of sight: the eye. A subordinate issue, evolution, yet another tenet of obstructionism, is entertained so as to determine if it has any scientific merit. The most obvious gage by which protracted graduation (evolution) is to be weighed may be extracted from the words of Charles Darwin (1809–82) in On the Origin of Species by means of Natural Selection, or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life. The enlightenment brings the investigation back to the phenomena of light and the marvelous eye. The visual apparatus has inspired awe in all who have delved into its many mysteries; Darwin was no exception. The adventurer was so taken by its complexity, and how sight could have developed through protracted graduation, that he seemingly questioned the plausibility of the concept. In a familiar game of cat and mouse, the reader was cautioned that many serious questions would be raised if future discoveries of skulls in the fossil record did not definitively show the protracted graduation of the eye from a tiny break in the bones of the skull to the development of a full socket; anything else would be unacceptable. Darwin conceded that the fossil record of the time, the ultimate guide by which the theory was to be judged, was adverse to the concept, but not without just cause: it was simply the result of an imperfect, or incomplete, record. Darwin’s only hope of vindication was that one day intermediate links would be found. Subjects scrutinized are: the parietal organ or radiation dosimeter of the blind worm, rhodopsin, trichromatic theory, the inspiring little ameba, fossil record, the whale, genetic engineering, and the hopeful monster theory. Truths interplayed include: the four laws of heritage, guardian of the wild, and the simplicity of prototypes.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't take "religion" or a belief in any particular deity to come to the conclusion that atheism is a false and doomed worldview. The big bang in fact shattered early scientific convention that the universe always existed. It makes it VERY difficult to believe that the big-bang happened from nothing and became the universe. It is also very difficult to believe that life originated from in-organic material. It doesn't take a theist to figure that out.

Here's a great article and video that outlines some of these basic fallacies that we have been suckered into believing without question, but that upon deeper investigation crumble.

Something from Nothing?

Great blog by the way!

Anonymous said...

Guys, Thanks!
Stan