Tuesday, October 8, 2013

Superdeterminism

"’t Hooft thinks the notorious randomness of quantum mechanics is just a front. Underneath, the world obeys perfectly sensible rules. In the models he has toyed with, those rules govern building blocks even more fundamental than particles. You’d see them only if you could zoom into the so-called Planck scale, which, according to many modern theories, is the smallest meaningful distance in nature.

One point in favor of such an approach is that far-flung particles can act in a coordinated way, which you wouldn’t expect if they were purely random. Yet the idea of a deeper level is deeply troubled. In the 1960s, Irish physicist John Bell showed that the degree of coordination among particles is too exacting for any deeper level of physics to explain. Bell argued that particles actively need to communicate with one another, which ’t Hooft’s models don’t allow for.

When I first chatted with ’t Hooft for an article eight years ago, he told me he wasn’t sure how to evade Bell’s reasoning. Since then, he has sought to jump through a loophole known as superdeterminism. It’s a weird and downright disturbing idea. Only three other people I know support it, notably Sabine Hossenfelder of the Nordic Institute of Theoretical Physics, who blogged her views last week.

The sober way to put it is that physicists are never able to conduct a fully controlled experiment, since the experimental setup they choose is not strictly independent of the processes that created the particles. Even if the experimentalists (conventionally named Alice and Bob) live on Earth and the particles come from quasars billions of light-years away, they share a common past in the very early universe. Their subtle interdependence creates a selection bias, misleading physicists into thinking that no deeper level of physics could explain the particle coordination, when in fact it could.

The dramatic version is that free will is an illusion. Worse, actually. Even regular determinism—without the “super”—subverts our sense of free will. Through the laws of physics, you can trace every choice you make to the arrangement of matter at the dawn of time. Superdeterminism adds a twist of the knife. Not only is everything you do preordained, the universe reaches into your brain and stops you from doing an experiment that would reveal its true nature. The universe is not just set up in advance. It is set up in advance to fool you. As a conspiracy theory, this leaves Roswell and the Priory of Sion in the dust.

That said, one person’s conspiracy is another’s law of physics. Lots of things in the world seem conspiratorial at first glance, but are the result of well-established principles. The fact the moon spins on its axis at exactly the same rate it orbits Earth (thereby keeping the same face to us, or nearly so) is not the work of a cabal, but of laws such as the conservation of angular momentum. In the opening panel discussion of the conference, ’t Hooft speculated that some new law of physics might harmonize particles’ properties with humans’ measurement choices: “What looks like a conspiracy today may be due to a conservation law we don’t know about today.… It’s incredible until you find it’s mathematical necessity.”

What follows is an abridged transcript of our lunchtime chat.

The rest is here.

4 comments:

Barbarian said...

I got this from wikipedia:

Superdeterminism has also been criticized because of its implications regarding the validity of science itself. For example, Anton Zeilinger has commented:
[W]e always implicitly assume the freedom of the experimentalist... This fundamental assumption is essential to doing science. If this were not true, then, I suggest, it would make no sense at all to ask nature questions in an experiment, since then nature could determine what our questions are, and that could guide our questions such that we arrive at a false picture of nature.[4]

Superdeterminism seems to be a very unproven hypothesis...

Stan said...

Yes, exactly. And people who claim that the mind is purely mass/energy must also own the predetermination of every thought due to the prior positioning of electrons just before the neurons generate the thought. So the idea of determinism, if true, is that the idea of determinism, being predetermined by mere location of mass with charge, is of no value.

That renders determinism as a theory to be non-coherent, (internally contradictory) and therefore irrational.

Yet determinism is a necessary artifact of Philosphical Materialism, which is a necessary artifact of Atheism, which is demonstrably irrational.

The vogue these days is to redefine determinism to mean something other than fatalistic predetermination. It is now fashionable to agree that humans have choices, but they are limited by their environment and physical structure so those things are determinate. This fails the original test: is the mind a free agent? Or is it a slave to the materials of which it is made? They have dodged the issue entirely, and made no intellectual progress for the defense of Atheism.

Atheism and Maerialism are Just So Stories, fantasies created specifically for avoiding contact with issues which they cannot handle, intellectually.

Anonymous said...

Simultaneity does not exist according to relativity, and simultaneity is the present. 3 events that appear simultaneous in one frame of reference can appear time ordered in one way in another and yet order in the inverse way in yet another frame.

So it is that an event that lies in the present lies in the future in another frame and in the past in yet another frame.

So it seems block-time is the reality.

We all agree that choices that lie in the past are set in stone and unchangeable. You can't for example chose to commit suicide yesterday if you're alive today.

If our present and our future lie in the past for another frame of reference. Then our present and our future are set in stone.

Stan said...

Your reference to relativity doesn't really work since humans exist in relative simultaneity. Our past certainly lies in our frame of reference, and so does our future: my future is in my frame of reference, here on earth.

The relativist frames to which you refer exist only at great physical distances, where information flow is limited by the speed of light. Human existence is not limited by the speed of light.