Friday, February 14, 2014

But They LOVE Science

One in four Americans unaware that Earth circles Sun"
Read the whole thing. Then start homeschooling, even if it's in a co-op.

8 comments:

Michael said...

"Fewer than half (48 percent) knew that human beings evolved from earlier species of animals."

We know we were created! Adam and Eve was not a fairy tale.

Robert Coble said...

I don't think the Adam and Eve story should be taken too literally but I'm always amused at the gushing language used, even by atheists "faith head" like Dawkins, regarding the "beauty of the design", the "purpose of [name an organ or appendage]", the "function performed", etc., followed almost reflexively by the denial "We have to keep reminding ourselves that there is no beauty, no design, no purpose, etc. in nature." To me it seems very strange (insane?) to have to continually remind yourself to always contradict what your senses and logic continually tell you exists. Humans and "earlier species of animals" are completely different.

Michael-X said...

Looks like I'll need to alter my name in order to avoid confusion because someone else has started to post with it.

Stan said...

Robert,
"Humans and "earlier species of animals" are completely different."

I think that this is the case only in degree, rather than in design, until you get to pre-Cambrian. We had a chance a few months ago to visit a natural history museum, and once again to marvel at the dinos. One of the things I'm curious about is how many animals have knee caps. I know this is odd, but consider the arrangement of dinosaur skeletal features to human skeletal features, discounting shape. There is a spine with each element different from the others; a cranium on one end; a pelvis and extension on the other end; on the pelvis are ball sockets; a femur is inserted into the pelvis with a ball; there is a connection to two bones for the second part of the leg; there is an ankle arrangement for support, arches and digits.

The fore limbs are not even attached to the spine, but have blades which give additional range of motion. They are positioned off of a central connection to the ribs via the collar bone. The humerous is connect to the radius/ulna, using a lever -completely unlike the knee, which uses the knee cap.

The skeletal design is incredibly functional. But more to the point, it uses principles not found in other forms of mineral nature: double levers; twisting joints made of three elements; ball joints; not to mention the arrangement which enhances range of motion.

This all occurred in the Cambrian explosion, not in "Deep Time".

I think it is also arguable that many life forms also are conscious and have at least rudimentary rationality. (My dogs are Consequentialists, and admit it with their tails).

What humans seem to have is a gargantuan differential in capacities from the nearest life form. And that did not occur in Deep Time either.

To believe, without evidence even, that the organic whole of, say even early dinosaurs, self assembled due to accumulated random mutations and blind selection, is to assert a blind faith proposition of high order.

Robert Coble said...

Stan:

The post above from "Robert Coble" is a spoof from someone else, using my name. I was at work on 14 FEB 2014 at 5:45PM (actually, I was at work at 9:30AM and did not get off work until 11:30PM.) I do not have access to the Internet from work. You can send me an email and I will confirm this fact.

How does one definitively determine the source of a post on Blogger?

Robert Coble said...


Stan:

On Sunday, December 15, 2013, you posted this topic:

Science of Absurdity

I responded with:

Robert Coble said...

I'm always amused at the gushing language used, even by an atheist "faith head" like Dawkins, regarding the "beauty of the design", the "purpose of [name an organ or appendage]", the "function performed", etc., followed almost reflexively by the denial "We have to keep reminding ourselves that there is no beauty, no design, no purpose, etc. in nature."

To me it seems very strange (insane?) to have to continually remind yourself to always contradict what your senses and logic continually tell you exists.

December 16, 2013 at 10:05 AM


You can see for yourself what has been added, and altered from my original post.

I do NOT appreciate someone pretending to be me, but I abhor the stupidity and dishonesty involved in trying to put words in someone else's mouth because the poster is too much of a coward to present his own viewpoint.

I have no idea how to expose the troll who is doing this (and obviously, to Michael as well).

Stan said...

Robert,
It's even more difficult than that.

I can't send you an email without you first sending me your email address; and the troll can pose as you on email, as well, by opening a gmail or yahoo account using your name. If you have a certified account with a valid provider, then I can see that and respond.

Meantime, maybe using the google ID, if you have one, with a specific photo, cartoon or logo might work.

I'd hate to have to do it, but driven by barbarians I could go to membership only. That entails a sign-in just to read, which I hate to have to use. It would defeat the purpose of the blog to some extent.

It looks like any forum which is open to any extent will be attacked by the enemies of open discussion.

Steven Satak said...

Yes, but to the point where they are now spoofing the identities of regulars? Mmmm.

Pretty nasty, that.