A former 40 year Atheist analyzes Atheism, without resorting to theism, deism, or fantasy.
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If we say that the sane can be coaxed and persuaded to rationality, and we say that rationality presupposes logic, then what can we say of those who actively reject logic?
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Atheists have an obligation to give reasons in the form of logic and evidence for rejecting Theist theories.
Monday, December 29, 2008
An Atheist Converts, and....
...is declared ignorant, insane, and unstable by his Atheist readers. While this is possibly a prank, it certainly decorates the issue of open-mindedness amongst those challenged by their Philosophical Materialism faith, those who think certainty is found in science.
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To be fair, so many of the people following that blog did so to discuss their beliefs, not those of Christians. To have the blogger then leave a post with a huge picture of Jesus and a conversion message is a bit like having an atheist friend convert and then start proselytising you.
Tufty
(see my blog against atheophobia)
Sorry that my response time has been so long during these holidays!
Tufty, the responses speak for themselves, regardless of your justification for them. I did visit your website, and I notice that "myth 2", Atheist amorality, is also based on justification: Christians do bad things, so we are justified in doing bad things too.
The facts are as follows:
1. Atheists reject absolute moral authority and absolute moral "law".
2. Atheists are free to create or adopt whatever morality/ethic they wish; it is an individual choice, not an absolute or universal(*) position. Therefore it is a lifestyle choice, a chosen worldview, not a morality.
3. (Some) Atheists choose to deny this, placing them into a position that is irrational, denying the obvious.
4. A very large portion of the Atheist population does not agree that the "other" deserves respect, and in fact engages in egregious ridicule, vandalism, and gleeful intolerance. This is their "morality".
5. Some Atheists adopt the very absolutes that they reject, living within the Judeo-Christian ethic while rejecting it. This is an exercise in irrationality also: accepting a morality while rejecting the foundation on which it is based.
6. Because of these lapses in rational thought, as well as lapses in rational behavior which is guided only by personal proclivity, Atheists are not found to be predictable or consistent in either thought or behavior. Justifying this by comparison to deviant "Christian" behavior just doesn't present a solid platform for accepting Atheists as solid citizens.
My own ethic within Atheism was predicated on Judeo-Christian morality, a self-contradiction that I finally came to see as irrational. Such self-examination, when completely objective leads to an open view of reality, well beyond the Philosophical Materialism of Atheism.
Truth is not found in mass/energy nor in space/time; it exists, it is exemplified in the First Principles of rational thought and logic, and it is outside material things.
(*)Universal evolved morality (as proposed by Pinker, etc) fails logic tests also: what if two universal needs conflict? It is then a contest between which is a true human faculty: logic or morality? But the "evolved morality" theory is logic-based, so logic is the clear winner.
hey Stan, I'm pretty sure that site is a parody.
Frank, you might be right, I didn't see that at first. It would explain a lot.
When I first read it I believed "Fake, for sure. That will cost him a lot of friends." But it doesn't look like a prank anymore (it might still be a prank, a really, really evil one), he wrote his conversion is genuine.
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