”One project is illustrated by the CFI advertisements. They seek to present to the public an affirmative secular worldview. This is important because atheists need to make more than just a case against religious belief, they need to make a case for a positive set of alternative values. But atheists must also critically examine religious belief, which is the mission of other projects. This is extremely important because, as plainly seen in this case, religious belief continues to undermine even the most basic and uncontroversial claims about secular morality.Let’s repeat that last phrase:
” religious belief continues to undermine even the most basic and uncontroversial claims about secular morality.”Secular morality is an oxymoron. Every Atheist is free from absolutes, and is therefore also free to bleat that his own behavior is moral, since he meets his own standards. This is not morality; it is anarchic thinking, which is the same as “Free Thought”. Every Atheist makes up his own standards. This is quite clear to everyone except De Dora apparently.
”The fundamental point here is that positive secular values cannot move forward without the critical examination of religious claims. As I wrote in a recent blog post here, “The critic of religious faith and dogma is on the same side as the promoter of secular moral values. To squabble about whose interests are more important is to lose sight of the underlying problem: the staggering amount of uncritical thinking that is putting society to ruin.” Once atheists realize this, they can get on with trying to complete both tasks, instead of arguing which is most important. Only when both are accomplished will humans be able to collectively have a rational, constructive conversation about morality.”Atheists could be even more moral, according to De Dora, if they would just use critical thinking. For the Atheist, critical thinking means agreeing with him. There is no actual process for critical thinking because there is no absolute basis for anything, including logic. So Atheists change the definitions of most any concept to conform to what they want for it to mean under certain circumstances. In this case it is "critical thinking". We see this constantly as they try to convince us that babies, frogs, and rocks are all Atheist, in their scramble to avoid justifying their belief, which is that there is no God.
So De Dora has specifically admitted that the morality which Atheists claim is not the morality of Christianity, and he admits that Atheists don’t have a uniform morality to display in their own defense. But, of course, it is “ridiculous” to point out that Atheists have no claim on morality, and that their behavior is therefore suspect in every way, manner and form.
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Thoughts on the last two posts--
Where did Lenin and Stalin go wrong? Mao was a secular guy- I'm wondering when De Dora will work in the fields.
Seems the only immoral thing to do is to disagree with an atheist.
If marriage were expanded to include animals, how would I know if my cat accepted my proposal? Perhaps that part of what marriage means would need to be abolished as well. Perhaps one of the bloggers should begin a campaign.
If they wanted to be consistent, wouldn't the sign read "I don't need God to be..."
Some people complain so much about being told what is moral- oh, that's because they tell everyone what it is to be moral.
Sometimes I'm slow...
Interesting. After I finished De Dora's pieces I said, "I've got to be missing something. Do people really believe this? The flying tea pot is more plausible."
Relativism. Relativism. For the life of me, I just can't see how otherwise intelligent people make impassioned arguments for the "morality" of subjective morality.
Is this just too simplistic?
No absolutes. No real virtue ; or beauty; or Truth for that matter.
Perhaps, some charitable materialist out there will help me see the light
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