Thursday, October 20, 2011

From PZ's Place: Samyogita Hardikar, on Why I Am An Atheist:

Up till I was 19 I had been dwelling into the murky waters of faith, mainly switching between a haphazard belief in some sort of higher power if not god per se and agnosticism of the ‘If there had been a god, then surely he wouldn’t have allowed all this cruelty and suffering?’ persuasion. Now I really don’t think there is a god. The reasons are many and most of them are obvious to and shared by most other atheists: no real evidence for the existence of god/ gods, a respect for and inclination towards a humanitarian and human-centric idea of morality, too many vulgar disputes amongst the believers themselves about who exactly this ‘one true god’ person that they all keep banging on about might be, to name a few of the top ones. But I vividly remember the moment I started thinking of myself as an out-and-out atheist and it wasn’t any kind of anger or frustration or hardcore empirical analysis that made it happen. It happened when I heard Douglas Adams speculating about the origin of god.

He says that the idea of god probably came into existence because after looking about and seeing what a well oiled machine this world was, we humans made the foolish mistake of asking the most ridiculous, naive and treacherous question: ‘So who made this then?’ ‘This’ being the world, of course. ‘Someone must’ve made it, you know? Like we make stuff?’

And from there we just went on improvising and thinking that since we’re the only ones who ever actually make anything, it must’ve been someone very like us, much more sizable and capable than us, and much more invisible, obviously.

I completely buy that theory and it may seem trivial but if we are to move on from all this violence and disharmony that happens in the name of god, we have to see the whole notion for the triviality that it is. Let’s not- for a moment- try to answer that absurd question with the first thing that comes to your mind and we’ll be fine.

To put forth a simple if slightly cheap analogy, the idea of god is a bit like non-degradable plastic. It’s man-made. It’s not found in nature. It was created by throwing a whole bunch of random stuff together. It’s a relatively recent invention considering how long we’ve been around and even if it may look like it at first glance, our lives do not depend on it. It’s a quick, immediate gratification based solution for an eternal problem which is why it’s dangerous. It seemed like a very good idea at the beginning and most people still think it’s pretty handy but now that we have it, we don’t seem to be able to get rid of it and it’s all beginning to get a bit out of hand. And lastly, living things are suffering and dying horrible deaths because of it. Atheism on the other hand is way more ego-friendly.
Samyogita Hardikar
India

So exactly what does Adams posit? There is no first cause because Man Made It Up?
If [Man Made It Up], then [No first cause].
[Man Made It Up];
Therefore, [No first cause]
Now premise B, that Man Made It Up, was made up by Adams. It was not discovered forensically. It is not determinable using empirical, experimental, replicable, falsifiable science. In fact the statement itself is not falsifiable; it is an ecclesiastic statement regarding whether a first cause exists. So premise B can’t qualify as a grounded, provable assertion of a truth. Without a truth statement to validate the precedent of premise A, then premise A cannot be known to be valid and the argument is False.

From another point of view, the argument that “man making something up” automatically means that it is “not true” means that Adams’ made up argument is false due to internal contradiction:
Man made arguments are false;
This argument is man made.
This is a classic two-statement paradox, a violation of the Principle of Non-Contradiction, and is therefore false due to non-coherence.

The other arguments which Hardikar makes are secondary and derivative, espcially his attempt to analogize with "cheap plastic". For example, this statement requires some analysis:
” It’s a quick, immediate gratification based solution for an eternal problem which is why it’s dangerous.”
This is a new concept to me. An eternal problem (the existence of a first cause?) is given a “quick, immediate gratification based solution” (first cause exists?), and that makes it dangerous(?).

I see no possible way in which the conclusion can be drawn from the premises:

If [an eternal problem has quick, immediate gratification based solution]; then [it is dangerous].

This is an unwarranted conclusion without some serious argumentation to support it. Hardikar does not provide support, but makes the statement as if it were a self-evident first principle; but it is not in any manner self-evident. For example, it should be the mis-use of a wide spread solution that is problematic, not the solution itself.

Another statement:
”living things are suffering and dying horrible deaths because of it.
Hardikar is not talking about a first cause; he is apparently talking about Islam, or possibly the secular wars against Islam. But he is coy about his actual target, which seems to imply all religions as a single category, and that would be a Fallacy of Equivocation. On the other hand, maybe it is just a failure of the "cheap analogy" he chose.

His last statement is on target:
”Atheism on the other hand is way more ego-friendly.”
Because the Atheist recognizes no authority beyond himself, he is automatically the top intellect in the universe. He is able to derive new moralities for others to follow, and he is at liberty to change his own morality on-the-fly. By categorically denying absolutes, his logic is "free" from any annoying grounding. What could be more of an ego boost than to be such an awesome intellect and moral authority – all by merely denying any higher existence? This is the lock-in for the ego deprived. How can one deny that which elevates oneself so high so easily? Especially when the alternative requires the humility of being subject to external truths.

In his last sentence, Hardikar has nailed one of the primary attractions of Atheism. Even though he was making a word play on "eco-friendly". Congrats.

2 comments:

mrinalini said...

i do not get the hardcore logic terms but hardikar's blog does seem to make sense. logic can lead you to either belive in a god or not believe in one. they are both theories and therefore 'man-made'. they are not like gravity which was there always whether man could understand it or not. hence these theories are like 'immediate gratification ' which you accept in impatience, not wanting to wait for the real answer to be discovered. 'our lives do not depend on it'. true, there are other and more rational theories (of psychology, sociology, ethics, etc.) to build our lives on and around which can lead to the same benevolent consequences we wish for our societies that , it is hoped, a belief in god would bring about. hence we have no need to accept this unsubstantiated explanation. and atheism is 'ego friendly' in a way you never thought of. it is friendly to others' egos. it does not want to destroy others in the belief that 'only my god is the one true god'. it appears that pure logic can lead to an erroneous interpretation.

Stan said...

You claim not to know logic, yet you claim to know what makes "sense" and what the results of logic would be. This means that you feel that whatever method you use to think is just OK, regardless of its form and grounding. That is a major problem for Atheists, because ungrounded thinking is untethered thinking which drifts away from known, specific rational techniques for sorting what is true from what "seems".

It is not true that Atheism is ego friendly. Atheism is a Void which provides freedom from being bothered with absolutes, allowing the Atheist to serve his own ego; it is a narcissist pursuit. The Atheist fills the Atheist void with himself and only himself. His own ego is served; others will be his enemy.

As for others, they are a threat to the Atheist's freedom from all constraint and any different opinion is a threat to be met with a counter-attack. The Atheist is not tolerant, he demands tolerance for himself but is not willing to provide it for others.

As for desired benevolent consequences, what Atheists and Leftists consider benevolent is in actual practice totalitarianism to be acheived through false humanitarian "Social Justice": leveling outcomes rather than opportunities and consequences for bad choices.

As for "unsubstantiated explanation", Atheists refuse to substantiate their own position using logic and evidence. They refuse to provide logical refutations for theist deductions. They refuse to examine and refute existing material claims theists make. Ther refuse to accept responsibility for their own fallacies, including the error of demanding material evidence for non-material entities. They are abject failures within their own groundrules and claim set, much less within the boundaries of actual disciplined logic and evidentiary theory.