Monday, July 30, 2012

Leftist Governmental Morality Enforcement & Homosexuals

The newspapers in this area are woefully behind the times. Both of the regional papers, one in our small town and that one in the city several counties to the left of here, still refer to the First Amendment on their editorial pages. That might not be the only Amendment to the Constitution which they care about, but it’s the one they care about the most.

The American Left however, has left that behind them and is taking the reverse stance these days. Back in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s, of course, the Left was not in charge of much of anything, so their mantra was free speech, which included flag burning, defecation art, protest posters calling for the death of various officials, and so on.

These days things are different. Free speech is allowed only if it is in support of the new orthodoxy which the Left thinks it has in place. Speech which supports things like a nuclear family which sports a blood-related father is considered too evil to allow into the carefully morally-controlled culture. Hence, the officials who protect the morals of the culture must prevent the likes of Chik-fil-A from entering their moral cloister. Free speech is like free thought, then: only certain ideas are acceptable and deviations must be condemned and abolished. The problem is that the moral condemnation is governmental, and the punishment is banishment from economic enterprise. The heretics are removed from the society which the Leftist government thinks it owns.

To make things even more interesting, the moral guardians have loop-holes for certain like-minded groups, “like-minded” meaning having the ambition to unilaterally dictate the morals and behaviors of their citizen-subjects. Here the reference is to Islam and the creation of Islamic centers in the same city that refuses to accommodate Chik-fil-A. The Islamists actually think similar thoughts concerning the nuclear family, but in draconian and non-voluntary terms. Homosexuals are to be terminated under Islam, and the only internal debate is the method of termination, be it by fire or by tossing off of high buildings.

This doesn’t faze the moral guardians, however, who will no doubt claim freedom of speech for their Islamic pals. So it is apparent that freedom of speech is not for those who advocate voluntary moral character as an approach to social issues, it is only for those who advocate dictatorship over moral behaviors, and consequently access to business opportunity as well.

In the minds of the Leftists who finally have a little control, free speech is a tool of the state, and morality in thought and speech is a dictate of the state which is punishable if the thought and speech are not dogmatically Correct.

The lesson here for homosexuals is that they are pawns in this Leftist game. If they think they are actually protected by the Left, they are not paying attention. Their freedom of speech is as volatile as anyone else’s, unless they join the diktat class. And many have, as demonstrated in the morality laws of California. But historically, under real Leftist rule homosexuals have not fared all that well. The Left is never favorably disposed to anything except control, and all of the Leftist interim feints are temporary; the Hegelian antithesis is always in play and the Left will not stop at the current synthesis with homosexuals. Aggressive Alinsky Consequentialism considers everything and everyone to be a tool to be used, and that includes faux attachments to moral positions and the people who hold them. And that is exactly what is being seen in the great Chik-fil-A caper.

24 comments:

LiWon said...

I'm not an American so please explain for me.
What is Chik-fil-A and what is their speech? The government has shut down Chik-fil-A because of Chik-fil-A's speech?
"The problem is that the moral condemnation is governmental, and the punishment is banishment from economic enterprise." Can you link to some articles about your government's action? Have they siezed the assests of Chik-fil-A?
Thank you.

Stan said...

Li Won,
Chik-fil-A is a fast food restaurant featuring chicken, a business which is owned by an outspoken believer in the male-female parented family. His name is Dan Cathy, and he recently said this:

"“Very much supportive of the family – the Biblical family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family led-business and we are still married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.”

In the USA the homosexual faction has gained much power with the political faction, especially on the Left. The mayor of Chicago and the mayor of Boston both declared that such a business could not be located in their cities. This seems to be because the ideas of the business owner are deemed immoral, because homosexuals want to be considered as good parents.

It is the two city governments, not the state or national governments which have involved themselves this way. And since this involvement is a breach of American principles of Freedom of Speech which are in the Bill of Rights attached to the US Constitution, these politicians have violated the rights of this business, and are acting as moral totalitarians.

A British article on this American issue is here (can't trust American "journalism" these days):

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100173340/chick-fil-a-vs-gay-marriage-how-a-chicken-restaurant-became-a-culture-war-battleground/

Stan said...

godless, you're back...

Unfortunately I did something wrong and your comment didn't show up here. It started with, "As usual Stan is off his rocker...", but I'm not sure what else it said. If you kept it, reload it, and I will post it.

godless said...

Didn't keep it. I'll see if I can hit the same notes again.

Basically you are once again playing the victim card.

No one is passing legislation to prevent Chick Fil A from doing anything.

The mayor may have said some angry words, but he's already admitted he has no say in where they can place a franchise.

People will vote with their feet. Check out the stock share since they publicly admitted they were homophobes.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/07/30/604701/anti-gay-chick-fil-a-attracts-losers-repels-prominent-leaders-universities-and-the-public/

Also, it's not their opinions people are taking so much issue with. It is that they are funding lobbyist (in the millions of dollars) to prevent legislation from passing that would allow people to marry who they love.

Essentially, they are doing exactly what you accuse the Atheo-Homo-Leftists of doing. Passing laws to prohibit others freedoms.

Ironic right?

I also had something in there about how Xtians always play the victim card. Something about the doctrine of you being so horrible you made god kill himself. I can see how that would fuck with your head.

I had links and everything in the original post. Shouldn't be too hard to find because I just followed the story from the link you provided.

Also, I think this is like the 4th time I've posted something where you did something wrong and lost the post.

Since you can obviously delete posts afterwards, why don't you take off the moderation and save everyone the aggravation?

Stan said...

godless,
It's good to see you back with your ungrounded positions. It's all relative, right? Will you be answering the post I addressed to you just exactly when you left? I think I'll repost it ... just for you.

Now, as for Chik Fil A, and your references to the crapola put out by Think Progress, I will submit the following actual facts:

You said,
"Check out the stock share since they publicly admitted they were homophobes."

Regarding That’s rich. First, Chik Fil A is privately owned(!), there is no stock share. And there is a Chik Fil A appreciation day, Aug 1, nationwide. Second, it is false that the funding is intended to oppress Gays; the funding is for organizations which have programs which are designed to strengthen the man-woman relationship in Christian marriages:

”Peter Sprigg, vice president for the Family Research Council, says their group makes it a practice not to comment on the individuals or corporations who give money to them, but it appears much of the criticism throw at Chick-fil-A has to do with their donations to marriage enrichment programs.

"Chick-fil-A has given money to groups that support and strengthen marriage between men and women," Sprigg told The Christian Post. "I would hardly say that is anti anything. The company boldly states they were founded on Christian principles and marriage is one of the most basic of Christian tenets and is the foundation of the family. I can't see why anyone would object to that."

” Although the company rarely responds to inquiries about its corporate donations, Chick-fil-A President and COO Dan Cathy released a statement in 2011 denying that Chick-fil-A had an agenda against any group or organization but would "continue to offer resources to strengthen marriage and families."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/chick-fil-a-called-anti-gay-for-contributions-to-pro-marriage-groups-77621/#WGk2zJ2z7wRHTo3F.99

Chik Fil A is a private Christian organization. All it takes to enrage Gays, it appears, is the word “Christian”. Or maybe, man-woman together in the same sentence. When Mr. Cathy discusses Christian marriage, that is hate speech (only by the hateful definition of Gays) and cannot be tolerated (except that the attacks have to be backed off and re-defined post facto due to the First Amendment reminders that the attackers are faced with).

Next, "Homophobia" is a hate-word created by the Left in an attempt to intimidate anyone who might criticized them with the false presumption of a mental condition. It is just another lie.

Now for some facts of the situation.
(continued)

Stan said...

(Continued)
Here’s what Mr. Cathy apparently said:

”Some have opposed the company's support of the traditional family. "Well, guilty as charged," said Cathy when asked about the company's position.

"We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.

"We operate as a family business ... our restaurants are typically led by families; some are single. We want to do anything we possibly can to strengthen families. We are very much committed to that," Cathy emphasized.

"We intend to stay the course," he said. "We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles."


http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=38271

Here is what Mayor Menino said:

”There is no place for discrimination on Boston's Freedom Trail and no place for your company alongside it.”

Full letter is here:
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/downtown/2012/07/boston_mayor_thomas_m_meninos.html

Here is what Chicago Alderman Moreno said:

”“Because of this man’s ignorance,” said Alderman Moreno, “I will now be denying Chick-fil-A’s permit to open a restaurant in the First Ward.”

http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/downtown/2012/07/boston_mayor_thomas_m_meninos.html

”On Wednesday, Moreno did not dispute that Cathy had the right to say what he said. But, Moreno said, “There are consequences for freedom of speech (and) in this case the consequences are... you’re not going to have your first free-standing restaurant in Chicago.”



“Moreno said holding up construction would be as simple as refusing to introduce an ordinance to subdivide the land where Chick-fil-A wants to build.

He said he was not worried about being sued. First, he said, there are well-documented traffic and congestion issues in the Logan Square neighborhood that he could raise to justify his decision.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/chicago-alderman-says-hell-block-chick-fil-a-expansion-in-northwest-part-of-the-city/2012/07/25/gJQAnPIt9W_story.html

What is actually happening is that the Gays and the Left are having another childish tantrum, based on nothing except their deep and bitter hatred of Christianity. They want everyone to believe that Christians hate them: why? Because Christians believe in a man-woman parental unit. That belief, through the scabbed eyes of the Gay Community equates to hatred. And if it is said out loud, then Gays and the Left get palpitations which cloud their already questionable judgments.

When the Gays don’t get their way they tend to have massive snits, just as they did after Prop 8 failed in California and they went after the Mormons, while rioting in the streets, destroying property, targeting voters and beating up old women, when in fact they were actually defeated primarily by the Latino and black votes. Facts don’t matter when it comes to Gays getting what they want. In fact, facts about Gays are prohibited by law in California, where it is illegal to teach anything bad about Gays in school; Gays are to be presented as saintly contributors, only. The history of Prop 8 will have to be sanitized to get into the CA history books.

The Church of Saintly Homosexuality has already captured California, and it appears to have Chicago and Boston.

Stan said...

(continued)
godless said,
"Also, it's not their opinions people are taking so much issue with. It is that they are funding lobbyist (in the millions of dollars) to prevent legislation from passing that would allow people to marry who they love.

Essentially, they are doing exactly what you accuse the Atheo-Homo-Leftists of doing. Passing laws to prohibit others freedoms.

Ironic right?"


Actually it is false. They do not support prohibiting the freedoms of others. What they support is strengthening male-female family bonds.

"I also had something in there about how Xtians always play the victim card. Something about the doctrine of you being so horrible you made god kill himself. I can see how that would fuck with your head."

Childish drivel.

"I had links and everything in the original post. Shouldn't be too hard to find because I just followed the story from the link you provided.

Also, I think this is like the 4th time I've posted something where you did something wrong and lost the post.

Since you can obviously delete posts afterwards, why don't you take off the moderation and save everyone the aggravation?"


If you don't like the way this blog is run, then start your own.

Same ol' godless.

Stan said...

As for the victim card, that is exactly the homosexual position: they are the victims of Christianity, regardless of whether Christians actually discriminate against them in the real world. The Leftist word for this is Tolerance, which means no tolerance for anything Christian as far as the Left can push it, and tolerance only for Leftist "rights" creations. The next darling of the Left will be pedophilia which will be discovered to have "human rights" to marriage and access to schools, educational materials, etc. It's all part of the Hegelian antithesis tactic which the Left uses constantly. There is no behavior which is appalling to the Left, unless it is the behavior of those with actual ethical principles to guide behaviors. Then the Left is "victimized" by the discriminatory nature of such principles.

Nice try, godless.

Aqium said...

A lot of people think that opposing marriage equality is an offensive anti-gay position but it's not. It's an offensive anti-human position.
There is not a doubt in my mind that Stan would be be defending "traditional marriage" has defined as marriage between people of the same race if this was a few decades ago.

Tim S. said...

If we as a country want to regain God's veil of protection we need to get back to traditional marriage the way it has been for the majority of this country's life. One man and one woman of the same race is really part of the solid backbone that MADE this country what it is. There's no denying it. God's pretective hand will be completly lifted if we allow this to continue.

That's why I'm going to be eating ChickaFilA from now on.

Stanley. said...

"As for the victim card, that is exactly the homosexual position: they are the victims of Christianity"

All they want to do is to marry the people they love. They shouldn't have to beg your permission because it's really nothing to do with you. It doesn't hurt you if two people who love each other want to marry. You are not a victim. Comparing adults marrying to paedophilia just goes to show how irrational your bigotry has made you.

godless said...

Blah blah blah.

First off I addressed the content of your post to me several times over the course of our conversations. When I saw you post that I basically threw my hands and and said "fuck it, the man is retarded." Which isn't really true. You are just smart enough to keep fooling yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family

Focus on the Family is ONE of the anti-gay organizations Chick Fil A has donated MILLIONS to. They explicitly oppose gay rights.

Right right, my bad. It wasn't the stock share. It was the number of adults who ate there in the past month. That plummeted. My point stands. People don't want to eat at hate diners. Even if their chicken is fuckin tasty.

“backed away from a threat to actively block the fast-food chain from setting up shop in the city,” saying: “I make mistakes all the time. That’s a Menino-ism.”

“If they meet all the usual requirements, then they can open their restaurant, but their values aren’t reflective of our city.”

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/26/rahm_emanuels_free_speech_attack/

So .. you are completely wrong.

"If you don't like the way this blog is run, then start your own."

Stan, you're the one who seems to be having trouble working your own blog. I was offering a suggestion. Please note this is not a atheo-homo-leftist-totalitarian-dictator-voidist imposition on you. It was a suggestion.

I'm just not going to type the same thing out over and over again because you don't know how to computer.

Also, great job of throwing in Prop 8 and pedophilia. Classic Stan way of arguing. Oh I'm dead wrong, let's throw out a whole bunch of bullshit that can't be succinctly addressed. Then after a week of back and forth I'll accuse him of dodging the real issues.

Nice try, Stan.

godless said...

Ohhh you just want traditional CHRISTIAN marriage.

Here, I'll let Betty explain that one for you Tim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw


I just noticed "of the same race". Classy. Homophobic and racist.

Stan said...

"All they want to do is to marry the people they love."

Marriage used to be referred to as "joined in Holy Matrimony, 'til death do you part". I suspect that there are not many homosexuals who actually want to be joined under the auspices of a deity. I suspect that the legally binding Civil Unions - the secular equivalent of marriage - are rejected because the Gays actually cannot consider themselves (self-image-wise) until there is no marriage which is Holy Matrimony that is recognized by the government.

I personally think that Gays really want the same thing that I do: removal of the government from the idea of marriage. If Gays want to commit themselves to each other, they can do so legally even now. The problem is with what the government recognizes, and if the government stopped differentiating between Holy Matrimony and civil unions there would be no "second class". In fact, if even those engaged in Holy Matrimony needed to sign up for a corresponding Civil Union contract, then Holy Matrimony would be outside of the government's reach and the rules would be equal since they would refer only to civil unions, not marriages (aka Holy Matrimony).

The fact is that my wife and I were married before a judge in a non-holy matrimony; I have no skin in the game. If your weird uncle Ferd wants to marry his pickup truck because he loves its rear end, freedom of choice should allow that. But it shouldn't be called Holy Matrimony.

Now as for marriage being all that Gays want, that is falsified by the laws of California, laws to suppress actual truth and sanctify Gays by legislation.

Chris said...

"It doesn't hurt you if two people who love each other want to marry. You are not a victim."

One must presume much to make such a statement. What is the criteria of judgement for the above concepts? If one is an atheo-materialist then whatever argument one could deliver would be baseless. In which case to "argue" would be absurd in principle. As the atheist loves to point out, feelings are not arguments.

Stan said...

Godless says:

”Blah blah blah.

First off I addressed the content of your post to me several times over the course of our conversations. When I saw you post that I basically threw my hands and and said "fuck it, the man is retarded." Which isn't really true. You are just smart enough to keep fooling yourself.


So you ducked out due to your inability to deal with the questions posed you, and which you continually dodged. Fine. But you are back now. So be prepared.

”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family

Focus on the Family is ONE of the anti-gay organizations Chick Fil A has donated MILLIONS to. They explicitly oppose gay rights.


Focus on the Family does oppose one right that Gays think they ought to have: Marriage. It opposes it in the messages given to its own group of like-minded people, which includes the owners of Chik fil A. It does not give $ gazillions to politician-prostitutes as do the Homosexual lobbies. For example, FotF donated $641K to the Prop 8 fight; here is what happened when Obama finally evolved:

” Already, gay donors, mostly men, reportedly constitute 1 in 6 of Obama’s top fundraisers known as bundlers. And in the first 90 minutes after the news broke Wednesday, the campaign received $1 million in spontaneous contributions, a Democrat told BuzzFeed.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/gay-marriage-reversal-means-cash-for-obama

The newly discovered “Right” that any adult has for marrying any other adult is a sudden “consciousness lowering” event, as the culture heads toward ever less constraint on personal behaviors. Given that there are no morals other than Relativistic morality in much of the new culture, there is no corresponding concept of personal character development and self-discipline; the trend is toward no restraint whatsoever, a feature common to much of the homosexual culture. It is now possible to “discover” all sorts of new “rights”, it seems.

”Right right, my bad. It wasn't the stock share. It was the number of adults who ate there in the past month. That plummeted. My point stands. People don't want to eat at hate diners. Even if their chicken is fuckin tasty.”

Today, August 1, is Chik fil A Appreciation Day, nation-wide. We’ll have to wait and see whether your assessment regarding your universal use of the term, “people”, is valid.

”“backed away from a threat to actively block the fast-food chain from setting up shop in the city,” saying: “I make mistakes all the time. That’s a Menino-ism.”

“If they meet all the usual requirements, then they can open their restaurant, but their values aren’t reflective of our city.”

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/26/rahm_emanuels_free_speech_attack/
So .. you are completely wrong.


Really? So he never said those things? He is not backing down now because he never said the things he is quoted as saying? He’s not backing down due to pressure from civil liberties proponents? Really? Completely wrong?
(continued)

Stan said...

(continued)
”"If you don't like the way this blog is run, then start your own."

Stan, you're the one who seems to be having trouble working your own blog. I was offering a suggestion. Please note this is not a atheo-homo-leftist-totalitarian-dictator-voidist imposition on you. It was a suggestion.

I'm just not going to type the same thing out over and over again because you don't know how to computer.”


And I repeat: You don’t like it here, go somewhere else.

”Also, great job of throwing in Prop 8 and pedophilia. Classic Stan way of arguing.”

The statement being addressed above was that “…all that homosexuals want is…” That is demonstrably false and an attempt to prejudice the Gay issue down to just one point: marriage. That is false, and I showed why it is false. Do you want to discuss California textbook laws? How about fornication in the streets? (There are photos…).

” Oh I'm dead wrong, let's throw out a whole bunch of bullshit that can't be succinctly addressed.”

Any issue can be addressed and addressed honestly and precisely. You don’t like it because you have no actual defense for it: so you revert to typical godless whining about bullshit, but without any substantive refutation.

”Then after a week of back and forth I'll accuse him of dodging the real issues.”

No need to wait a week, you have just blustered on and on without addressing any issues at all, except your personal pique at the argument handed you.

“Nice try, Stan.’

You seem to have re-charged your batteries by living exclusively in Atheo-Leftistville for the past few weeks. Perhaps you think that truth exists exclusively there, where there are no rational groundings and opinions of personal moral superiority and intellectual possession of no-truth/no-absolutes reign. Well, lay them out for us, all the stuff which is true under non-truth - which is moral without any morality; we’ll discuss it.

Stan said...

Comment moderation has been turned off for the time being. Commenting here is a privilege, and it can be shut off entirely if I wish: it is my blog. I almost never delete comments on purpose, and since I am now losing comments, I am quite certain that I hit the publish button. When they disappear, there is no notice of publication, nor is there a notice of deletion; there is no recovery bin to retrieve from. They are just gone.

I have complained to Google. Until something is done on this new blogspot software to stop this loss, I will allow unmoderated commenting. I will summarily delete comments that do not conform to the rules of the blog.

This blog is not a forum for insults and denigration of the positions of others, it is intended to be a rational analysis of Atheist positions.

Stan said...

I should have mention the impetus for releasing moderation: I lost three more comments which I approved and published: they did not show up.

Stan said...

Aqium said...
”A lot of people think that opposing marriage equality is an offensive anti-gay position but it's not. It's an offensive anti-human position.

There is not a doubt in my mind that Stan would be be defending "traditional marriage" has defined as marriage between people of the same race if this was a few decades ago.”


You know nothing about me and your accusation is based on your own attempt to smear that which you know nothing about. You don’t know what race I am or what race my spouse is. I think it is a safe bet that your attempt at moral condemnation, based on no facts whatsoever, is also based on no moral code whatsoever, other than that which you have created for yourself. So your moral condemnation of me has no weight other than the negative reflection on yourself for the attempted smear.

yonose said...

I always try to be away of such issues becuse of this.

When people attribute sexuality and politics to spiritually-oriented religions, but forget or blissfully ignore, that the reason such religions exist are fo the knowledge of the spiritual, this happens.

Now what we have (And is not in the USA only, but where I live too!!) is just childish, pitiful political self-righteousness, and the cultural respect for different ortodoxies has just degraded to the verge of stupidity.

I know politics are important, but cultual self-proclaimed elitism, self-righteousness, and totalitarian views won't help anybody. If you ask me, it is the same mob mentality we find in Gangsters, and that's what makes people dangerous.

Regarding homosexuality, it is not in any measure conflictive regarding spiritual development and it is limited to a physiological issue associated with a cultural construct.

It is counterproductive because of two main reasons:

---> The more you learn about different cultures, the more reasons oneself may find to justify the reasons why the cultural constructs you were raised with may be re-evaluated, and when proved true in an axiomatically correct fashion, even be reinforced.

---> Because it may be empirically proved that multi-culturalism doesn't work only by being totally self-directed within specific political affiliations. The idea that Humanists & Ateo-materialists or Ultra-Leftists support multiculturalism is practically an oxymoron.

Even though I'm not a "Soft/Weak" Atheist anymore, I strongly disagree such intolerance from any cultural or subcultural position.

Where I live because conservatism and right-winged politics are prevalent, but in action is the same thing, just an out-of-control authoritarianism. Nothing is in balance. (To make myself clear, I'm not an anarchist, I'm a centrist)

Kind Regards.

31 said...

Have a look at the history of interracial marriage and the laws against it in this country. you will see a parallel. What is interesting though is that FAR more people were against interracial marriage and far less for it when it was made legal for all Americans than those who are for and against gay marriage TODAY when it is illegal for most Americans.

One interesting tidbit of information i like to plop out during discussions like these is the fact that Americans did not break the 50% support threshold for interracial marriage until... wait for it... the mid 1990s.

Now, the first I heard of all this was a few years ago when Chick-fil-A donated to infamous Exodus and Exodus went to Uganda to spread its anti-gay message and Uganda promptly began a death penalty for gays campaign. African political horror - funded by Chick-fil-A.

Stan said...

Stanley said,

"As for the victim card, that is exactly the homosexual position: they are the victims of Christianity"

All they want to do is to marry the people they love. They shouldn't have to beg your permission because it's really nothing to do with you. It doesn't hurt you if two people who love each other want to marry. You are not a victim. Comparing adults marrying to paedophilia just goes to show how irrational your bigotry has made you.”


I gave only a partial answer to this above. Now I’ll address your bigotry remark. Much if not most pedophilia is homosexual: male on male. So your comment presumes a fact which you either don’t have or you deny. Pedophilia was condoned by Kinsey Report, and there is a growing body of professional talking heads who opine that sex is not harmful for small children and should be part of their maturation process. There is at least one organization which is in place for the normalization of pedophilia and the modification of the DSM produced by the APA – the exact same process which was used by homosexuals to change their behavior definition from deviant to sexual preference. Why would pedophilia not also be merely an innate “sexual preference”? Why would any behavior whatsoever not be merely a “behavior preference”? The slippery slope has not just been entered, we are well on its way down with escalating velocity. Further, denial of that is without value because it is merely self-justification for the Hegelian antithesis dance to which the Left is dedicated.

Now. Under Atheism and the Consequentialist Relativism which infects much of Atheism there is no moral basis to judge anyone’s behavior or opinion or moral stance. So your condemnation of “bigotry” is likely based merely upon your opinion and self-righteous attachment to Leftist ideals which are transient at best, and volatile on a daily basis as a norm. Your self-righteous condemnation therefore has no meaning and no weight, even in your own Leftist world, much less in the real world.

A. Campbell said...

Paedophilia is distributed between sexual orientations in the same proportion that those sexual orientations exist in society.
Freund et al. (1989). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and erotic age preference. Journal of Sex Research.

Offenders are more likely to be strongly religious than the general population.
Abel, Becker, Murphy, and Flanagan (1981)

It is not logical to use this as an excuse to deny religious people marriage and it is not reasonable to compare religious people to paedophiles.