The Arizona shooter has been identified, and we know a little bit about him, specifically that he was irrational. But that's not surprising.
Here's what PZ Meyers had to say, before he knew any facts:
I'll take a wild guess here. The scumbag who committed this crime has been caught; I'll bet he'll turn out to be a Teabagger who listens to a lot of AM talk radio. Holy crap. This was Sarah Palin's idea of a clever campaign earlier this year: she had select Democrats, including Gabrielle Giffords, targeted with a gunsight symbol.This is false; the campaign target was on the state, not Giffords. It is also false that Palin had any influence on the shooter. This jump to vile Ad Hominem is not indicative of a thoughtful, rational demeanor. It is Atheo-Leftist hatred and venom let loose before any facts were known.
What a vile creature. Perhaps she ought to consider not inciting the deranged assholes who follow her.
And from the Corruption of Christianity side of the coin, the Westboro Church celebrates the massacre:
The Westboro Church is a single famiy of deranged and dangerous and corrupt people who hide behind a false view of Christianity to further their psychotic beliefs. Their views are as false as PZ's, from the opposite end of the political spectrum where vicious irrationality hangs out... at both ends."The Westboro Baptist Church has declared that Jared Lee Laughner, who shot 18 persons, killing 6 on Saturday, was doing God's will.
In announcing that its church members will picket the funerals of those slain, the Phelps clan gave thanks to God for the violence and proclaimed that is is praying "for your destruction, more shooters, more dead carcasses piling up, young, old, leader and commoner — all."
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It's PZ Myers, not Meyers. He was referring to a poster campaign where Palin has illustrated Democrat districts targeted with crosshair images, and listing the names of the incumbents. It even places a red gunsight symbol right next to the names of three soon to retire. So PZ's comments are spot-on. Palin would have to be extremely dumb not to realise the potential effect of such blatant symbolism on the more deranged.
What you failed to mention here is that Palin's 'hit list' SPECIFICALLY listed Gifford BY NAME -- not just AZ. And even if nobody had been shot, her violence-tainted rhetoric is really inexcusable. Directly or Indirectly, Palin has received in abundance what she asked for when she exclaimed "Don't retreat, RELOAD".
And contrast PZ's "I'll take a wild guess here" (explicitly alerting the reader to speculation) with "Westboro...has declared". Few other authors seem to be clear on when they are being factual and when not.
As an aside, 'Ad Hominem' is a class of specious argumentation where you try to discredit an argument by attacking the person. If you just flat out attack someones character then it's not ad hominem.
According to Fox News, Jared is linked to American Renaissance -- which extremely right-wing. Even if Jared was "liberal" (as evidenced by the fact that he smoked pot and listened to rock music -- didn't Bush Jr also do those things?) 3 years ago we don't really have a lot of info yet about what he has gotten into since then -- PZ's speculation may yet prove correct -- then what?
There has been rabid conclusion-jumping on ALL sides of this event (save a few calmer voices, such as Kelly Carlin).
Whatever Jared's intentions, all he did was damage the US as a whole and I don't think there will be any 'winners'. To compound the tragedy here, this event seems to be pushing people further apart rather than bringing us together.
As a member of a Dangerous Tea party sleeper cell who thinks Leftists will create more Jareds by legalizing pot, I would just like to say if atheists can not see the ridiculous nature of saying Sarah Palin or George Bush pulling the trigger on Gabby by using Gun Metaphors Or Killing political careers then please apologize for the following frightening and dangerous languge used by Barak Obama.
Obama warned if Republicans win there will be “hand-to-hand combat”
Obama used frighteningly violent langugage when he said he should send one of his supporters over to
“tear Sean Hannity up”
Obama boasted “if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”
Obama said about Republicans we need to “get in their face”?
Obama asked “whose ass to kick,”
or, in a climate of fear about terrorism, Obama calling his opponents “hostage takers”? In a post-9/11 world, is it prudent for the commander-in-chief to use such violent langugage about his political opponents ?
Or how about this gun Imagery used by the commander in chief
“We can’t have special interests sitting SHOTGUN. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”
(Obama apparently did not anticipate this joke could back fire on him when the elephant sits in the back saying turn right and Obama becomes the chaufer : )
Do we really wish to tie crude presidential metaphors, similes, and bombast to the next violent attack on a conservative political figure? Are we to suggest that President Obama’s occasional indiscretions have created a climate of fear that someday will lead to violence against his political adversaries?
Or how about a few years ago when a novel was published envisioning the assassination of president Bush or the first prize award at the Toronto Film Festival to a “docudrama” constructing the shooting of Bush.
Were the Atheists or P.Z. Myers frightened by the climate of Fear then ?
Can a link be provided by any Myers fan boys showing any concern for those frightening metaphors back then ?
Any Links to their sky Daddy Myers ?
What is that ? defeaning silence ?
From PEJMAN YOUSEFZADEH:
"As presented by port side demagogues . . .
Phase 1: Sarah Palin publishes a map.
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Gunfire.
Really, at the end of the day, they have nothing more than this to make their case that Palin is responsible for the shootings."
The lengthy lists of violent rhetoric from the Left are showing up...
Another statement:
Palin and the Tea Party incite hate and violence; I know because I experience hate and violent thoughts every time I hear the words, Palin and the Tea Party.
The "crosshairs" attributed to Palin turn out not to be crosshairs, but to be registration marks like those used to line up color printings in newspapers.
Registration Marks. I thought they looked familiar, and not as crosshairs, with which I am quite familiar. Look on the edges of the color comics pages, there they are. So color printing in newspapers is responsible for the psycho-shooter, following the Leftist method of Cause and Effect derivation. Newspapers should be ashamed. In fact, I think my color printer does the same thing when intializing and calibrating. Oh, the guilt...of color printers everywhere.
Two Kennedy's were shot. Reagan was shot. Ford was shot at. The mayor of SF was shot.
These are off the top of my head-
It seems being a politician and getting shot at are not new phenomena. Lincoln, anyone?
I would agree that political rhetoric tends toward the emotion of hate --a self-proclaimed rationalist calls those who disagree with him 'deranged assholes' is one example.
Love remains the answer.
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