Thursday, August 16, 2012

Does Homosexuality Have A Cause?

It cannot be said, seriously anyway, that homosexual behaviors are an extension of “normative heterosexual” sexual behaviors, because they are the inverse of those normative behaviors. Some analysts declare outright that homosexuality is NOT a mental illness. Yet it is also deviant, in the following sense:

The homosexual male is not attracted to a female vagina, he is attracted to a male anus, and the male penis. The homosexual male is not attracted to the female figure, he is attracted to the male figure and sometimes emulates the female figure; some male homosexuals become uber-masculine in order to attract other males.

Judging by the homosexual street festivals in San Francisco, some homosexuals engage in demeaning acts such as Golden Showers where they allow themselves to be urinated on. Other homosexual acts are fisting, oral-anal, oral-penis, mutual masturbation, scrotum/testicle sucking, anal instrument insertion (I know of one case where a light bulb was inserted anally, where it ultimately broke, resulting in an emergency room visit). There is anonymous sex using small holes in walls or barriers.

Being the complete inverse of heterosexual behavior and even repugnant to at least a high percentage of heterosexuals, how can homosexuality be considered normative? And even if that question is ignored for political correctness, it is obvious that speaking in terms of evolution (if we must), the homosexual practice is a dead end and is not beneficial to the perpetuation of the species. In terms of evolution, homosexuality is not an extension of procreative sexual attraction: heterosexuality.

Homosexuals claim not to be changeable in their sexual preference; they insist that it is not a choice. If it were a choice their behavior could be perceived as reversible, and morally wrong. They disassociate from bisexuals for whom same-sex encounters actually are a choice. Homosexuals now claim that all studies in this regard are unethical, and attempting to reverse homosexuality into heterosexuality is unethical; it is criminalized in Britain.

Yet forty years of searching for a homosexual gene have failed. At this point it cannot be said that homosexuality is hardwired, a required behavior. And there are anecdotes of homosexual reversals that persist, and cases of adult-onset homosexuality (Note 1).

Does homosexuality even have a cause? The fact that it removes a person from the evolutionary chain and places him into a procreative dead end suggests, that yes, there must be a cause for such an evolutionary negative deviation (Note 2).

So, what is homosexuality if it is not a mental or emotional state, not a genetic or inborn state, not a chosen preference, and not normative? Either there is a hidden cause or one of the denied causes actually is the real cause.

We don’t have facts on the source or cause of homosexuality; what we can say is that it is the inverse of normative heterosexuality and is not an extension of that. We can say that there likely is a cause, and the cause likely is not genetic or inborn. Beyond that, only opinion exists, and research is stopped due to political correctness which is enforced by outrage of the homosexual lobby which is determined to completely normalize homosexuality. If homosexuality is normal, it cannot have a cause. By definition. Nor can it be judged, either politically, scientifically or morally. By definition.

Opinions on this are welcome.

Note 1: GLAAD New York Executive Director, Glennda Testone, relates that she was a “hard heterosexual” who got her first homosexual kiss at a gay bar, and she converted.

Note 2: Or else there is something wrong with the theory of evolution.

9 comments:

Martin said...

Homosexuality is prevalent in the animal world. There is some speculation that it might serve some larger social function.

IF that were the case, then it isn't deviant behavior at all.

godless said...

some homosexuals engage in demeaning acts such as Golden Showers where they allow themselves to be urinated on. Other homosexual acts are fisting, oral-anal, oral-penis, mutual masturbation, scrotum/testicle sucking, anal instrument insertion (I know of one case where a light bulb was inserted anally, where it ultimately broke, resulting in an emergency room visit). There is anonymous sex using small holes in walls or barriers.

Besides the lightbulb thing, I can show you heterosexuals performing all these acts as well. Did you want the links? You want videos of people fucking in the streets? Hell I can probably find the lightbulb thing too, but I think my search engine has taken enough abuse lately.

Maybe this is unusual behavior, regardless of sexual orientation?

Re: Evolution
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13674-evolution-myths-natural-selection-cannot-explain-homosexuality.html

Re: Homosexuality gene
http://phys.org/news84720662.html

" If homosexuality is normal, it cannot have a cause. "

Normal things don't have causes now? How does this make any sense?

But hey, maybe that's just my opinion. Although it does seem to be backed up by some considerably conclusive facts.

Steven Satak said...

@godless: yes, it *is* just your opinion. You would do well to remember that.

And this is mine. You feed your ego at this trough. Your tactic of choice is to "ask" questions and then brush off the answers as 'meaningless' because you disagree with them. Not surprising, since agreeing would remove the irritation you provide and thus, the feeding of your ego. Can't have *that*.

Your bellying up to the trough of spiritual pride need only have the appearance of reason. That, after all, is the ticket into this place. Then you begin dodging issues, refuse to use reason and logic or even admit they exist for you. It is proof that you are not here for either - you are here to amuse yourself and feed.

You're here to get poor Stan spun up. You're a troll. You demand evidence and then giggle maniacally as he chases you down, trying to get you to use logic. Of *course* what you say doesn't make sense. Except superficially, it isn't supposed to. *It was never intended to*. Reason and logic are not why you are here.

I don't know why he tolerates you... you waste an enormous amount of time baiting him. Yours, in typing statements worthy of that old Eliza program. His, in trying to answer comments and questions that were never serious to begin with. Mine, because I have to trudge through your sludge of non-issues before I can read something interesting from yonose or one of the others.

I can see his preserving the more lucid madness that prances through here at times - you know, a good example of a bad example - but you simply don't have enough of anything to be worth keeping. You're a large-mouth minnow. There are examples of your kind everywhere there is the Internet.

I'da thrown you back a long time ago.

godless said...

Hey Steve, if I'm not welcome here, Stan can either tell me to fuck off or ban me. No problem.

But no, he addresses posts specifically to me, and you are pouting because I'm answering?

It's *not* just my opinion as I'm backing it up with *facts*, science papers, and the offer of linking video evidence.

Of course I'm here to amuse myself, but that doesn't negate that I'm arguing honestly/seriously. Am I linking to biased sites? No I'm linking to phys.org.

The irony of course is that you're contributing nothing but ad hominems in your post, where I am at least addressing the issues presented.

Maybe you just don't like the facts presented, and so result to insults.

Steven Satak said...

MMm... definitely troll.

A. Campbell said...

There is some speculation that it might serve some larger social function.

IF that were the case, then it isn't deviant behavior at all.



The theory of kin selection has been cited by many. Close relatives such as nieces and nephews also carry on an individual's gene line. This theory has been applied to homosexuality and it has been argued that homosexuals can help tend and see to the survival of their close relatives such while not having to undergo the disadvantages of parenthood themselves, thus increasing their close relatives' survivalship and offsetting their own non-parentage (Ruse, 1981; Denniston, 1980; Kirsch & Rodman, 1982).

godless said...

That's just like, your opinion, man.

World of Facts said...

A newer post warrants repeating my question again, as no answer has been given:

What's so wrong about using the word 'people' when talking about two 'people' having sex, or entering a long term relationship? Why do we need to specify the gender? What purpose does it serve?

The answer from Stan was:

PM,
First, "sex between people" as a delimiting allowable term also applies to pedophilia, group sex, sex with mental incompetents, etc.

a) adult
b) mentally competent
c) no emotional or physical forcing

They might reject the condition of "no group sex".


That does not answer the questions at all; it actually leads to:

Why do you care about the sex of the people involved in ANY sexual behavior?

Yes we should care if they are adults or not (consent issue).
Yes we should care if they are mentally competent or not (consent issue).
Yes we should care if there is emotional or physical forcing (consent issue).

No we should not care about the gender. Why do you?

World of Facts said...

Regarding the current post; as our opinion was asked...

First, I think the left-hand analogy needs to be brought up again:

It cannot be said, seriously anyway, that homosexual behaviors are an extension of “normative heterosexual” sexual behaviors, because they are the inverse of those normative behaviors.

It cannot be said, seriously anyway, that 'left-handed' behaviors are an extension of “normative right-handed” behaviors, because they are the inverse of those normative behaviors: A variety of studies suggest that 70–90% of the world population is right-handed, rather than left-handed or any other form of handedness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handedness)

Second, most of what you discuss in the current post is not related to sexual orientation. Here's just one example:

The homosexual male is not attracted to a female vagina, he is attracted to a male anus, and the male penis. The homosexual male is not attracted to the female figure, he is attracted to the male figure and sometimes emulates the female figure;

- Heterosexual males are not attracted by vaginas; they are attracted by a sub-set of the female population that generates sexual arousal.
- Homosexuals males are not attracted by penises; they are attracted by a sub-set of the male population that generates sexual arousal
- Both heterosexual males and homosexuals males can enjoy the pleasure of having their own penis put into a vagina or an anus.

There is absolutely no reason to criticize the preferred choice of anybody regarding the above options. Personally, I am an heterosexual male and certainly cannot even imagine myself being aroused by another male. However, I am forced to admit that it is possible for me to be aroused by a male that happens to look too much like a pretty lady, and it's certainly the case that I am not, at all, attracted by a lot of females.

Third, one big problem with this entire discussion is that there seems to be a confusion between what we consider moral versus what we consider should be legal, and what we consider we could do ourselves versus what we would never do but should not condem. To make it even more complex, there are lots of cases where it's not all or nothing.

As a side note; the words you used Stan seem to indicate a lack of understanding of human sexuality and/or "abnormal" social behaviors. I don't mean this in any patronizing way but you seem unaware of the complicated society we live in. The 'Golden shower' example you gave is quite shocking, as it certainly do not apply to Homosexual alone...