Saturday, July 4, 2015

Transgender War Is Next

Why We Need To Fight Against Transgender Acceptance

"Media outlets have already taken sides and are branding people as being “transphobic” for not accepting the idea that Bruce Jenner is now a female. It is now “bigoted” to refer to Bruce as a “he.” Even so much as joking about Jenner is verboten. The media is rallying around him, protecting him, in spite of the fact that his refusal to get sex reassignment surgery, his sexual preference for women, and his recently having killed someone in a car accident all make him a very poor candidate as the face of transgenderism.

Nevertheless, they have made him the poster boy, hoping that everyday TV watchers won’t sweat the details and that the popularity of the Kardashians will keep him relevant. The next steps include some Will and Grace style sitcom to make transgenders seem more hip and fun, adoption by the Democratic Party as the next great civil rights issue, and finally a sustained campaign of legal and private ideological bullying until transgender acceptance is the new normal.

The Line In The Sand
Why must we draw the line at transgenderism? I argue that legitimization of transgenderism would constitute a cultural sea change.It would be the first time the cultural fascists had succeeded in enforcing genuine doublethink. Leftist ideology regarding transgenderism not only contradicts existing progressive doctrines (feminism), but is also literally false. You are being ordered to believe in a fairy tale—the idea that a dog can transform into a cat if it just wishes for it hard enough—and this is where the danger lies.

To be clear, I do not argue that we need to persecute or hate transgenders: people have the right to choose to play dress up and freely associate with others who indulge their delusions. What we need to protect is our right to disapprove of their behavior and reject their “science.” "
Jenner is a fraud, of course, not parting with who he is in reality, the possessor of XY, and cock & balls - clear empirical evidence of masculinity, not femininity. He is living an illusion, actually a delusion, but he is the best that the Left has for a poster boy for their next assault on western culture. For the Kardashian generation, maybe that means something, this guy who cross-dresses as a woman and claims to actually think he is one. This reminds me of the Furries:


You can "feel like" you are a door knob for all I care. But you cannot command my respect. That's what the Left is about: making commands that must be obeyed as if they are mortal sins if disobeyed. It's all about the Leftist roadmap to utopia and total control through intimidation of false moral diktat, and ultimately force of law.

20 comments:

jim74 said...

Good point, we cannot force opinions on others. It goes both way: you cannot expect younger people to respect your shitty backward ignorant hateful mentality. Thankfully for us in the West at least, your kind is dying, literally, as you have a pic of your granddaughter here. Can't wait for conservatives idiots like you to be forgotten, but hey that's just an opinion, you have to respect it, right? Btw, watch Transparent, the show about transgenders already exists...

Stan said...

I no longer have any expectations for "younger people"; the nation is completely awash in their prideful ignorance, especially of history, but also of logic and science.

You seem to have been amongst the maleducated generations: no, no one needs to respect an opinion, especially if it is irrational. Only the RIGHT to have stupid opinions needs to be respected. Yes, the transgender normalization movement has accelerated to top speed, because the self-anointed Messiah Class has nothing else to do since the total normalization of homosexuality disorder. The march to control everyone else's thoughts must continue, and at full, balls-to-the-wall, careening into the Leftist abyss.

The new dark ages have arrived, with total ignorance of the history of the world in full play. Just like with ISIS destroying all history in order to make theirs the only remaining version, "progressives" in the west have done the same thing in the education system for the past three generations. History books were rewritten to bias the narrative to touchy-feely-hatred of all western culture and principles, and away from any residual factual honesty. This fully enables them to claim that it is the conservatives who are deluded, by totally ignoring the fates of every prior populace which has been infested with the Leftist/progressive agenda: mass death by all types of means including starvation and other scientific programs for the "benefit" of the benighted masses. Not to mention being elated that the keepers of factual history will die off... by what ever means.

jim74 said...

I think these are great times! People are more tolerant and more free to choose. So you got a good point again, it's not opinions we should respect, yours are aweful, you spread hate and ignorance, you're the one ignoring history, science and logic, you are like ISIS, a religiously based dogmatic organization. We, the younger generation cares about others and want everyone to have a shot at a good life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness. But you think this is wrong? You want people to be like you, to be of your kind. You are anti American and thankfully getting extinct.

But hey, you still have the right to your opinions and the freedom to express them, they just suck and nobody will care soon, most already don't. How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history? How does it feel to think you're right and everyone else after you is wrong? Our country is awesome ok? If you don't like it, get lost, live in a cave and shut up, you dont have to express your shitty opinions...

Stan said...

" We, the younger generation cares about others and want everyone to have a shot at a good life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness."

This is, of course, total bullshit. Find a feminist who wants a good life for transgenders. Find any Leftist who gave a shit about kennedy killing kopechne, or about blacks killing blacks, or especially about blacks killing black preborn blacks, and especially especially about blacks killing whites. Your statement is demonstrably, scientifically a load of crap.

"But you think this is wrong? You want people to be like you, to be of your kind. You are anti American and thankfully getting extinct. "

You'll be singing another tune when the totalitarians finally get control, throw the homosexuals off of high buildings, shoot all academics, lawyers, politicians and the wealthy business potentates that Obama loves so well, not to mention the illiterati such as yourself. THAT is actual, factual history. That is what America has been against. That is what the Social Justice Wahoos are promoting in their historical ignorance.

And here is your essence:
" How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history? How does it feel to think you're right and everyone else after you is wrong? Our country is awesome ok? If you don't like it, get lost, live in a cave and shut up, you dont have to express your shitty opinions..."

You are a troll, for sure. Your statements are contradictory. You are trying to be inflammatory, but you have no essence, no logic, just empty blather. You are an empty blatherskite. I'm done wasting time on you. (Are you Hugo? Just curious).

Rikalonius said...

Might want to hold off on that congratulatory campaign and take a look at a little country called Greece. See that is where your generation is headed. While your generation, brain-washed by the previous generation's deviants, are busy descending into tribalism; where the collective rhythmically and ritualistically dances around the bonfire, or as Juvenalis more succinctly put it 1900 years ago...

"Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses"

Your generation is living on burrowed prosperity. There is an old English proverb. Clogs to clogs in three generations. Or, Wealth earned in one generation seldom lasts through the third (grandchild’s) generation. You, my friend, are that third generation. Your generation is squandering the wealth of previous generations like the prodigal son. You've allowed your politicians to buy you off. You've sold your birthright for hedonism, and the time to pay up is not far off. So enjoy spoils of prosperity while they still exists.

Robert Coble said...

WE ARE HUGO. WE ARE LEGION. WE EMOTE. WE DO NOT THINK. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. BECAUSE - SCIENTISM.

Here comes Miss Karma, bringing the dreaded "reality check" to the table, to be paid in full by these morons. Open up a vein, moron; Miss Karma likes the check to be signed in blood.

Hugo Pelland said...

"(Are you Hugo? Just curious)."
No, but I do read your blog regularly as usual :)
Last time I tried to comment following the note you left me it did not go through, probably spam as you mentioned, so I will try to send an email as well just in case...

Talon said...

" We, the younger generation cares about others and want everyone to have a shot at a good life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness."

If the system of values you use to judge whom and what you should care about, and what it means to have a good life, and pursue justice and happiness happen to be irrational values, nothing good will come of it in spite of your best intentions. It's perfectly reasonable for Stan and others to publicly criticize what they reason to be an irrational basis for your morals and values and it's not unpatriotic in the slightest. You are free to disagree of course, but it's better if you bring more than feel good rhetoric to your defense, as all this rhetoric does is beg the question of values. If Stan is correct, and your system of values is utterly irrational it matters not whether everyone agrees with him or no one does, they're still irrational, "right" side of history be damned.

One of the true strengths of America is the freedoms of speech and freedom of conscience it tries to nurture, and it's a shame, Jim, you seem intent on crapping all over it with your "love it or leave it" doublethink, if a patriot truly loves his country he'll fight to protect it, not hide in caves at the urging of cowards with little but slogans and self serving pretense to justify themselves.

jim74 said...

Talon you sound clever probably more so than the others who commented here but you're missing the part where old folks like stan are the ones trying to.impose a "love it or leave it" doublethink by excluding certain people based on who they claim to be or love. we cannot and shouldnt tolerate such hate and i am happy to.debate my values on these topics, ie i am just serving him his own medecine of "be like us or else" because that's what old ignorant fools like him project................

Stan said...

" old folks like stan are the ones trying to.impose a "love it or leave it" doublethink by excluding certain people based on who they claim to be or love."

This is a blatant lie in the service of the Leftist perversion of the total tolerance mantra. The Left does not believe its own effluent in this mantra: ask any Leftist how soon the marriage age should be lowered so that adults can marry pubescents, as is done in Islam. The Left is quick to "exclude certain people based on who they claim to be, and love". So this accusation fails the smell test.

"Tolerance" is subject to daily modification for the Left. It is applied only as needed to further their objectives, none of which is actually tolerant, all of which are concealed beneath the Alinsky "cloak of morality". Since the Left rejects all morality except for its own creations for rules for the Other (never rules for themselves) those concepts of "morality" are, in fact, destructions of actual moral principles. They always focus on normalizing abnormal, mental disorders in the feigned pursuit of equality for all people - a useful lie for useful idiots.

Such all new "morality" designates dissent as "hate" as is demonstrated by Jim74, our current poster boy for leftist sloganeering:

"we cannot and shouldnt tolerate" [No tolerance here!] "such hate and i am happy to.debate my values" [Values like name calling, and hate speech] on these topics, ie i am just serving him his own medecine of "be like us or else" [projection is a major tool of the Left] because that's what old ignorant fools" [Hate speech is truly Tolerance for the Left] like him project"

So there we have the essence of morality for this Leftist. There is no - absolutely no - case made justifying the hatred contained in this diatribe. It's just pure, unrefined hatred, based on a Protected Victimhood Class (this week's Leftist focal point) being subjected to criticism (and that cannot be tolerated) by an Oppressor Class (old ignorant fools), a class so designated purely by employing Ad Hominem Abusive.

In other words, it is blind Class War, no actual justification required, especially in the face of logic and empirical observations of the palpable irrationality of the Left's position on this subject. The response is classic, mindless Class War Empty Rhetoric.

Transgenders are not excluded from anything, at all... except from women's restrooms. And that's what they want: XYs want in the women's restrooms. There is nothing else denied them, including marriage. And they get and deserve the exact same respect that any other Leftist gets.

Stan said...

A quote pertinent to the above:

Standing Up To The Ruling Class
Angelo M Codevilla

"Support for homosexual unions was incidental to the insistence of the likeminded folks atop society’s commanding heights on punishing Indiana. What incurs their ire has less to do with any substantive matter than with the American people’s resistance to honoring their fantasies. These fantasies can be reversed without notice. (Obama opposed homosexual marriage until 2013.) But dissenting from any of them — whether about race, or sex, or science, or anything else — risks ostracism and disqualification from earning a living."

The morality of the Left is just this:

Thou SHALT NOT question our moral diktat du jour, lest we destroy you.

Talon said...

Talon you sound clever probably more so than the others who commented here but you're missing the part where old folks like stan are the ones trying to.impose a "love it or leave it" doublethink by excluding certain people based on who they claim to be or love. we cannot and shouldnt tolerate such hate and i am happy to.debate my values on these topics, ie i am just serving him his own medecine of "be like us or else" because that's what old ignorant fools like him project.


Perhaps you haven't noticed Jim, but every system of values is going to discriminate in some way, yours does certainly, it discriminates against people like Stan, you want him to "think/be like you or else", the issue at hand is whether this is rationally justifiable.

Stan has explained previously why he thinks Jenner is in error and why he thinks SJWs who indulge his line of reasoning and then expect it be accepted without question are also mistaken. Stan has demonstrated tolerance, he hasn't demanded Jenner move to a cave, leave the country, or be censored (perhaps forcefully), he does expect Jenner, like everyone else, will be judged by their words and actions. This is clearly not a process you object to in principal, as you are here judging Stan for his words and actions but you haven't yet argued coherently why criticizing another for what they identify as, or who they sleep with is in itself "hateful" and wrong, nor made a good case why we shouldn't tolerate it, rather it seems like special pleading and a kind of protection extended only to certain minorities.

I do think Stan gets carried away at times (it's politics, passionate debates are to be expected), but he actually does try to explain his objections, and so if you want to be respected here you owe it to him to honestly evaluate his reasoning (even if you cannot stand him personally) and respond with good reasoning rather than "bigot!" and then "eye for an eye".

Talon said...

I disagree with Stan on generalizing furries vs trangenders, as I've known a few "furs" and even visited a convention or two as a guest, none of my acquaintance actually believed they were a dog, for instance, they just really admire said animal and adopted it as part of their identity, a public mascot of sorts. There are those in the fandom called "otherkin" who might claim a spiritual affinity for a given critter and those who might take a species as a totem animal but none I've known have actually insisted on living as, tried to become (via body modification/surgery) or expected family members, coworkers or the public to affirm they were, all evidence to the contrary, actually a horse in a human's body. The furry costumes are not dissimilar from other sorts of cosplay you might see in other fandoms like Star Trek, anime and video gaming, people just like dressing up as their favorite animal, alien or game character. Is there pornographic material sold in the fandom? Yes, there are adult oriented comics, fan art and the like, but no more than in the anime/manga fandoms, it seems sex sells no matter what subculture you inhabit. Zoophiles, however, are seen as extreme, and many consider practitioners to be animals abusers. I myself see furries as having more in common with gamers and otakus than Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner.

jim74 said...

Talon, since i still get the email notif i am going to answer 1 last time..... no i do not wish him Stan to be like me, you FAIL already, i just felt like expressing my disdain for old ignorant backward mentalities like his and nothing else. I could explain myself in more details if it was in person but here there is no point. People like him and you perhaps do not deserve any attention online and that the main thing i was sharing as he commented about a news article. The article was interwsting so i researh it a bit to read some reactiobs, thats how the web works unless you havent noticed, out of curiosity but his blog was so priceless i had to comment........ so yes i am calling him a bigot, he sucks, he thinks i suck, that's it, get over it buddy...... ye bye

jim74 said...

Talon, since i still get the email notif i am going to answer 1 last time..... no i do not wish him Stan to be like me, you FAIL already, i just felt like expressing my disdain for old ignorant backward mentalities like his and nothing else. I could explain myself in more details if it was in person but here there is no point. People like him and you perhaps do not deserve any attention online and that the main thing i was sharing as he commented about a news article. The article was interwsting so i researh it a bit to read some reactiobs, thats how the web works unless you havent noticed, out of curiosity but his blog was so priceless i had to comment........ so yes i am calling him a bigot, he sucks, he thinks i suck, that's it, get over it buddy...... ye bye

Stan said...

Jim74 won't leave for real without checking to see if there are any reactions to his intolerance.

He is borderline illiterate, on the order of an eighth grade drop-out. Hence, he has something to prove to himself, about himself. He is superior, if not intellectually, at least morally. And he accomplishes that by virtue of making up his own morals in some cases, and adopting the all-new, all-different progressive morals, which are identical to those of Lenin, Mao, Che and Pol Pot - those progressives of yore, now forgotten as old men, so old they are dead and forgotten, no - not forgotten - completely unknown by the youngsters who now know everything and nothing. It is so attractive to know everything and nothing with no effort at all, just by joining the Leftist club. That membership conveys an impregnable, unassailable elitism which can be found only in the ultra-moral Messiah-prophets of the religiously radical Left.

Another quote:

Michael Walsh:
"As Robespierre and Trotsky discovered, it’s tough riding the revolutionary/Leftist tiger: eventually you, too, get eaten when what you thought were bedrock principles get surrendered to the mob and you become expendable."

Lenin was likely killed by Stalin, and even Stalin turned out to be expendable and was probably poisoned. Pol Pot died in captivity, as did Saddam, and Gaddafi. Those who throttle, get throttled; it's historical, especially amongst Leftists on their path to equality utopia.

Steven Satak said...

I knew even before I came here tonight that jim74 would be here, despite his/her intention to leave ('ta'). Please do not feed the troll. Please?

Talon said...

Yes, Jim, it seems you want Stan to think like you, to embrace transgenders and homosexuals without any criticism, because anything else is "hateful" or simply go away. You expect him to tow this line, be silent or be subject to the verbal abuse you've vomited on this board, none of which you can actually justify. You want your SJW voice, and no other, heard in society today.

I understand that people read articles online and comment on them, this is one of the many fantastic opportunities the web affords, and I have no issue with that. What I do take issue with is the sort of drive-by vandalism people like you engage in when you post reason-free ad hominem nonsense like you have been, it isn't intelligent, responsible, or conductive to real discussion. This is Stan's board, he has a right to expect participants actually bring something substantial to the table and he's right to criticize you if you cannot or will not.

Jim, in case you haven't noticed, this is how the internet works, Stan is free to comment on articles, you are free to disagree, but if you troll here and get burned by Stan, myself and others, you only have yourself to blame, all that is asked is that you provide good reason for what you say, this is hardly unreasonable. You've had your 3 strikes with me btw, so I'm done with you until you get your shit in order.

Hugo Pelland said...

At Stan's suggestion, I am copy/pasting something I sent over by email, as I was not sure if it would show up here due to spam filters.


On that topic where 'jim' commented, transgender, I am really not sure what to think honestly... it's just so weird to me that someone 'feels' like they are a different gender; what does it even mean? There are things I do which could be more 'feminine' and women do things that are more 'masculine' sometimes, but we are still who we are. At the same time though, I did watch that show 'jim' mentioned for instance, Transgender, it was a big hit on Amazon Prime. It really made me realize even more how I have no clue how these people think and how they go through life. There is actually an interesting episode where a cross-dresser community gets into a fight with transgenders because they are really different people; cross-dressers are really guy who like to dress as women and they judge harshly the ones who really 'think' they are women. It's really weird... I also met a friend in Bangalore (but he's German) last December and he told me how his brother is now his 'sister' as she switched gender. He finds it so weird to now use 'she' when referring to "her" and it's even more weird when they discuss past memories when he used to be a guy, because what should they use then? Anyway, in short, I don't really get it and what this 'jim' wrote certainly makes no sense to me; your article on transgender does not warrant any harsh labels like he used... so, lots of talk about perhaps but nothing clear to me on that topic!

Phoenix said...

Jim

You've left out one more silly complaint that's a must for all Atheist visitors to retort,and that is: What's up with all the capital letters over here,that's it,I'm outta here

I'm aware that among Atheist internet warriors they judge the most rational person by his or her ability to offend,insult,mock and throw obscenities.The most fouled-mouth is considered the most rational.