Monday, December 18, 2017

Stefan Molyneux: Soft Coup

20 comments:

Rick22 said...

Stan, what do you think of Trump's tax plan?
This guys gave a great summary I think...
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1828582770506538/

Stan said...

I haven't read the new tax law, which apparently reduces the upper limit from 35% to 20%. But that will make no difference to the uber wealthy.

As long as there is no flat tax with zero deductions for anything at all, the rich will pay no tax. There are sufficient loop holes in any tax plan that engages in social engineering via financial feedback incentivization, to allow for the very rich to conceal their income as an expense in their corporatized lifestyle. Tax avoidance has no ethic, in the sense that "what is Caesar's" is fully defined by Caesar, and thus by using the rules available to accounts and tax law, the rich can pay less or no tax, legally.

I know this doesn't directly answer your question. Personally, I don't consider any tax plan to be fair that is not based purely and solely on consumption by human individuals (not corporations or businesses or organizations which can't vote and yet can buy politicians.

All organizational taxes are transferred down the foodchain to the individual human consumer in the form of final price increase to cover the tax. Some consumer goods are taxed many times before the individual human consumer pays them all in the price of the goods purchased. All tax law is unfair until this stops. But it will never stop.

Rick22 said...

Well the point is more that this is yet again Trump lying completely, as he will save millions, while the Trumpists still think he would draim the swamp. He hasn't and never will. He's a con artist, the best one.

Stan said...

Keep dreaming sweetheart. He's cleaned up the EPA and the IRS. Now for the FBI and State Department, stay tuned. And don't forget there are at least two active investigations into Hillary and one into Debby Wasserman-Schultz and the entire Democrat Party. Did you notice that Debby has disappeared?

Trump has been president for only 11 months at this point, and black unemployment is the least for the past 17 years. Corporations are staying and returning to the USA (one benefit of the tax plan, and Trump's USA First mentality).

Globalists can find their socialist ideal in Venezuela and Sweden.

Rick22 said...

WTF are you talking about?
Who cares about Hillary?
How could Trump have helped blacks in 11 months? Thanks Obama then...
Of course you have no source for your thoughts so no surprise here. But please, keep reading Breibart if it makes you feel good. It's all about your emotions as an old white male who feels threatened, sweetheart.

Stan said...

Keep on protecting your ignorance, sugarpuff. Don't read the sites which print the actual news that the MSM suppresses. I'm sure that your ignorance of the actual political doings is precious to you, since it allows you to act all puffed up with self-righteousness while denying the obvious facts... well, obvious if you are willing to look into them.

Oh, and the corroded Obama economy turned around virtually the instant that the Donald reversed the Obama "lead from behind", "love the decline" attitude. The economy is on schedule to reach +4% growth (prolly won't hear that on ABCNBCCBSMSNBCCNN). That growth, specifically due to Trump's bullish attitude toward American based businesses, furnished a plethora of empoyment for everyone, including blacks, browns, whites, etc.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-nyfed/n-y-fed-raises-u-s-fourth-quarter-gdp-growth-view-to-near-4-percent-idUSKBN1E9292

Steven Satak said...

Haha! I knew he was suffering from TDS the second I read "Who cares about Hillary?" and he started cursing. Then he laid in with the insults. Because he really has nothing else. But mostly because emotional outbursts trump reason, you'll pardon the pun.

(SJWs really do project!)

Rick22 said...

That's awesome news! Now tell me what Trump had to do about this...

And Reuters is real reporting yes. Just look at these charts:
http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/USA-ECONOMY-TRUMP/010041YY48W/index.html
It's as if things were already going grear under Obama and Trump had little to no impact. Would be great to find more recent ones though, with facts as to what changed and why. That could make the case foe your views. Will you??

Rick22 said...

Actually, this is up to date already! The link I had was from an older articlr, but the charts and commentary from Reuters is actually recent...
Comments?

Stan said...

Look. If you want to believe that the economy reached this level purely due to Obama, four quarters after his presidency ended, but not before... then there is no reasoning with you. Do your own research.

Rick22 said...

No it's not just because of Obama, it may be just partially because of his administration, that is the point. So it's obviously not because of Trump either just 11 months in and after doing nothing at all.

Can you name 1 concrete example? Seriously, just 1 thing that could have a big macroeconomic impact like what you claimed above?

And what about the info from Reuters? You quoted them for the GDP growth figure for 1 quarter, but now you'll just ignore the stats for the last 5 years because it doesn't fit your narrative about Trump anymore?

Ricky22 said...

Surprise surprise, no answer, yet you posted more stuff, on anti-white racism, which I am on with you btw, mostly at least, but you will not even acknowledge the facts about Trump and the economy, will you? Not even 1 example huh?

Stan said...

The graph you cherish shows that Obama's GDP growth didn't break 3% in 16 out of 21 quarters. It didn't break 2% for 11 out of 21 quarters. It didn't break 1% for 4 out of 21 quarters.

That's why he kept on blaming Bush, remember? He did that for ~19 out of 21 quarters.

Factories moved out; trade agreements punished the USA; Obama scolded small businesses and gave GM to the union after stiffing all prior investors.

The unemployment data was falsified by omitting those workers who left the workforce altogether (gave up trying to find work after years of rejection). Real unemployment was estimated at closer to 15% based on workforce population availability rather than unemployment checks (which run out after awhile). Remember the time extensions they kept putting onto unemployment compensation?

Yeah, Obama economy was wonderful. pfoo.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/19/nolte-7-facts-trumps-economy-media-dont-want-know/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/18/soaring-economic-enthusiasm-boosts-trumps-approval-rating/

Stan said...

Remember how banks couldn't lend money even at historically low interest, because entrepreneurs were discouraged? The infamous ObamaCare law punished small businesses, who made all employees part-time. Same for large business, who made employees into "associates", to avoid the huge insurance payments. Remember the ObamaCare "tax" and the mandate to insurance companies to cover existing conditions AND illegal aliens? Remember how the Obama gov't enticed poor folks into buying homes, who then found themselves underwater and unable to sell their homes OR make payments? (Cruel. Very Cruel)

The mood was dark in worker-land (what with capitalism being crushed), but bright in Progressive land (non-producers/parasites). Especially since Hillary was guaranteed to punish the hated flyovers and deplorables for 8 more years.

Here's what changed: the oppression has stopped; the national mood has flipped 180 degrees.

Do you think the DOW broke 24,000 because of swell P/E ratios? No, it is a mood-bubble. National optimism feels so much better than the oppressive proto-communist repression before.

Rick22 said...

So you just can't do it, you cannot stick to good news source; you had to flip back to Breibart because Reuters does not provide the narrative that you like. You could not provide 1, not even ONE thing, that Trump did to help macroeconomic signals. Everything you mentioned is unrelatted to that 1 thing you could show to show why Trump is supposedly doing great. But you cannot, you have to revert back to complaining about Obama.

What a coward and a dishonest person you are.

Yes, the DOW is doing great, it has since the recession that had nothing to do with Obama, just like the recovery had almost nothing to do with his administration. There was never any oppression; stop watching InfoWars and other extreme news source. It's insanity.

Troy said...

How retarded does one need to be to think that the DOW going up somehow correlates with the average worker being better off!? It's probably the opposite! Better workers' right implies slightly less profits for huge corporations and investors. That's why they are so happy! The little guy is getting fucked over again, and most of them voted to be fucked, by Trump.

Stan said...

Using the pejorative, "retarded" always precedes logical fallacies. This is no exception. The fallacy is basing your thoughts on the easily falsified concept of zero sum.

What exactly do you think the Dow actually is? I'm certain that you do not know. Investments in corporations. When more is invested, the corporation can grow and add jobs.

The little guy just got a tax break, which you would know if you actually read actual news.

Stan said...

Rick22,
The entire comment except for the links was based on the Reuters data. You didn't even try to verify that did you.

You are way out in Left field, with nothing to recommend your presence here.

I think that you and Troy are the same: sock puppets for prior trolls who have been eliminated.

Rick22 said...

Of course Stan! You're not worth any serious analysis. It would be too long to actually explain what you get wrong/right ajd why That's the main point. But now perhaps that new person Teddy will try to engage on another thread, who knows...

Stan said...

Rick22,
Exactly what I expect from you: nothing. You have nothing because you have no capability for anything of substance. You're all the same pitiful basement troll, trying to be a butt zit for your amusement.

You're all banned, again.